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network don't run and hide don't be

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don't turn away any longer

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the truth will set you free

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and now your host the captain of

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conspiracy the prince of paranormal

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this ain't your daddy's radio network

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this is fade to black

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i am your host

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jimmy church today is thursday

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february 6 2014

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we are live as always from the jp

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motorsports studios right here in

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burbank california

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rainy cold burbank

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for kjcr on the dark matter radio

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you know how i start off every show

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started off with a salute to the proud

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men and women in uniform

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out there fighting the good fight for us

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all around the world without them there

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is no me there is no you there is no us

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let's get this show cracking everybody

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thank you for coming in

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the rebel 52 he's a grown-up

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our dead guy birthday of the day we have

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love him hate him

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democrat republican it doesn't matter he

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he would have been 103 years old

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never forget when they did the funeral

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here in los angeles and how the people

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for miles

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for that man great president ronald

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reagan would have been 103 years old

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today all right let's get this show

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all right the new forums page is is

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got a bunch of new stuff up there and

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out with everybody

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at the bottom of the page there are uh

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some new pics on the ufo landing pad we

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and when you read the mufon report which

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it again tonight but when you read the

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mufon report it's like a generic

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cut and paste job of a ufo sighting

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and if i'm a mufon guy and i'm out there

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trying to investigate stuff and i get a

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report like this and i look at those

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i don't know if i'm submitting anything

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and i could be

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way off base here but when you go over

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to the ufo landing pad at

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jimmychurchradio.com it's on the it's on

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the forums page just scroll down below

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the forums and take a look at those five

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it's obvious that there's two little

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and you can tell that those spots don't

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move around they don't change direction

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they don't they don't move they don't do

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anything they're exactly the same

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in all five photographs and if they're

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supposed to be moving across the sky

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then something's gonna move and those do

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gmailjimmychurchradio.com go look at

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those five photographs

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all right stan's blog

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we've got uh the lost indus civilization

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the way uh i saw this today

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the crater on mars the new crater on

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mars go and check that out

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it is huge cool fantastic photographs

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and it's about time we see something new

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on the red planet and it's over there at

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arpel.com okay it's called the new

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crater on mars great photograph check it

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ahead and take a quick break

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when we come back

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nancy talbot will be here in the studio

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and we will be talking crop circles

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all night well we got a little surprise

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at the end of the show too got a lot of

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shoot me an email to jimmy

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we've got a great show lined up tonight

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as always it's time to get educated

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is the president of blt research team

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incorporated a non-profit u.s

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corporation which for more than 20 years

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has utilized the expertise

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of multiple professional scientists to

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examine remnant physical evidence

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recovered primarily from crop circle

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sites as well as from ufo trace evidence

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cases and other paranormal events

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three papers published in peer-reviewed

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journals have presented blt's crop

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circle findings the only scientific

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she is an author with wc levin good of

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worldwide crop formations i would like

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to welcome to the show right now from

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nancy how are you

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thank you for inviting me i'm delighted

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to be here you're uh you're you know

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your whole life you've been hearing

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talbot haven't you no i talbot county

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maryland is where i came from

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you know a little more technical than it

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your research and the scientists and

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that the way that you present and study

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times um i will ask nancy now like i did

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it's going to be tough but let's try to

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we'll try to you know try to keep it as

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simple as possible rocket science people

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think it is but it isn't it's very easy

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know what's funny nancy is um and and i

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have this conversation so much but i'm

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that's exactly my point

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um your information and your website is

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we'll get to all of that in a second

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i want a little bit of crop circle

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history too

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not only for myself but for everybody

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else and so let's start there how did

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you get your interest in this

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i

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went

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to the kiosk in harvard square one night

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late i think it must have been 1989 or

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90

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and was looking for something from the

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international press to read

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and

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with photographs of crop circles on the

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cover i'd never heard of them

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and

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took one of the magazines along with

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other stuff i was buying

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and got home and uh

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was reading

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and i instantly was kind of fascinated

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because

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in this article written by george

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wingfield one of the very early british

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crop circle researchers

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he had mentioned that an american

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scientist was already paying some

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attention

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and i knew enough to know that

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it's very rare that a bona fide

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scientist you know pays any attention to

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these strange things

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and i myself was curious anyhow and so i

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called george the guy who'd written the

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article

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and made a deal with him at that time i

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had been producing

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outdoor festivals bluegrass and country

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music festivals

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and so i had a network all over the

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northeast when i would book these bands

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i'd book them all over the place

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and george wanted to come to the into

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the states to do lectures and i wanted

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to go to england and become introduced

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to everybody that i needed to be and

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brought up to speed very quickly you

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know

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so he made a deal

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and i said okay i'll book you a tour i'm

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coming to england you take me around and

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make sure i know everything i've got to

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know to get started here

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and that's how it started

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and so what okay

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before we get i want to know exactly

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what happened when you went over there

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and what you saw because it must have

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been you know a real eye opener

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seeing everything firsthand and speaking

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to somebody like that but

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um what is the history of crop circles i

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mean we've got the recent modern history

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is there something

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that uh

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was documented i'm not an authority in

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that area

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and i'll give you a brief overview in on

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the blt website

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there is uh a section that is called

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other facts okay and we get given a much

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more complete background there

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taken from other people's work

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essentially

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it appears that as far back as the 1500s

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in england

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there were reports by scientists at that

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time in england who observed on their

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estates or farms

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things which appear to be descriptions

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of crop circles

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in the 1600s

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we have a guy named robert plott

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museum at oxford

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who also had taken notice of these

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markings in his fields

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and done some preliminary sorts of

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examinations

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so

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that long ago

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that there were sporadically at least

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things that we would now call crop

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circles appearing in the fields in

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england

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we also know from

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the early 1900s

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and this is in many countries the u.s

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canada

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poland germany england many places where

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i've been and interviewed the farmers

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there are there are historical accounts

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of people's grandparents who own these

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properties you know for generations

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and who also reported occasionally

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finding what we would now call crop

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circles

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the current flap the one that attracted

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my attention i'd never heard of all this

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of course

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was started in the late 1970s

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and 80s

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with the circles becoming slowly more

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complex and also more frequent i think

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until about the late 1980s

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when

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there was a sudden blossoming

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of the complexity early the early 90s

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and some of these photos of these

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incredibly intricate things then were

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reaching the covers of various magazines

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so the current flap if you're going to

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call it that

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has apparently been going on since

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perhaps the late 1970s

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right up to the present day and when the

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original uh when the well flap i don't

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like that word but you used it first so

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let's just stay there

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when when the when this current flap

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started in the late 70s with that first

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run of crop circles were those because

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there's a there's a definite line uh

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that separate

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either it's real

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it's a real crop circle um uh a

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paranormal type of creation that we're

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going to talk to in a second

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paranormal is another weird word to use

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use that word at all exactly but and

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then we have the hoaxes

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so in in they've got man-made events and

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you have non-man-made there you go thank

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you thank you thank you so uh that first

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run of of circles that popped up in the

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late 70s

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were those man-made or non-man-made

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i can't tell you because there was no

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testing done back then okay that's a and

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every this is what i want everybody to

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understand really quick as we get

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started

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you

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science

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and i want to make sure that's been

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at what has been

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but we are now working where the

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the field is enlarging to include

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the nature of consciousness

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because more and more the

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there are indications very clear

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indications

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that

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consciousness of some kind

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and i can't tell you what kind because i

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don't know right but that a

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consciousness other than our own my own

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your own

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is probably involved with at least some

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of the circles and perhaps the entire

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phenomenon but for the first 10 12 13 14

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years it was straight

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you know science mainstream science

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right with you and your team

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uh when you hear about a crop circle uh

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of

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anywhere around the world any and you

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take a look at a at a picture what no

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i'm just referring to you beside well

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we'll get to your team in a second

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uh when you see a picture

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do you know right away if it's man-made

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or not

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no you can't tell you the only way to

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tell that i know of that's reliable

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is to do the actual plant and soil work

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and then look at the results right

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now i want everybody that's let's have

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an educated guess from time to time but

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well yeah some of it is obviously really

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nice urban art

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you know by somebody very creative

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there's no doubt about that but

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um okay so uh i need everybody to go to

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uh jimmychurchradio.com

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what we have set up on the home page uh

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we try to do this as often as we can if

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you scroll down to the bottom of the

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home page we've got a a few galleries

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set up for the show tonight uh for

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nancy's presentation and and we'll guide

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you through what you're looking at

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because there's a lot of information

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here

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um now before we get started into the

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science of this

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um nancy i want you to uh

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well i'd like everybody to go to

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the middle gallery which is a gallery

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that i created it just says crop circles

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okay your galleries on the top science

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and then the uh the nvidia crop circle

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is on the bottom

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but in the middle is a

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very simple gallery of 10 pictures

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just entitled crop circles now i the

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reason why i i pick these myself today

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because these are all very famous crop

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circles that most people have seen

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and and know immediately uh

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uh what they're looking at and probably

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where they have seen it and so nancy i

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just want you to

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just i will take a couple of a couple of

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seconds here and run through these 10

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photographs and just tell me if if each

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because i know you're probably familiar

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with each one

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and tell me if it if first of all

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jimmy

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the blt research group

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has never intended we never intended it

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it wasn't our point at all to become the

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authorities on individual crop circles

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right our work is interested in trying

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to discover the nature of the energies

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involved

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and if possible the source of those

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energies right right right and

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so

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we don't make pronouncements about

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anything that we haven't worked on

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and this gallery that unfortunately

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you've put up here

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if you go to

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the first crop formation that you have

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on the left

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one that occurred at alton barnes and i

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think 1990

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maybe it was 89 or 90.

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that was before we started our work

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right so i have no notion okay the

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second one the triangular looking thing

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eleven good the biophysicist in michigan

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who's the l in blt right and he's

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recently died but at that time he had

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already begun to get a few samples

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and pat delgado one of the very early

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british researchers had sent him some

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samples from that circle exactly okay

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according to levin good's work he felt

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that he did observe

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significant changes in those plants

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however

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that formation was not sampled

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adequately

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to 100 percent say yes it was or wasn't

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and this george wingfield who's again

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one of these very early researchers

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swears

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that that thing is man-made and he knows

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all the details about who made it

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all i can tell you is you got to talk to

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george and hear his story right and or

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accept the fact that it wasn't sampled

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in the kind of depth that we do right to

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be able to be 100 certain right

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and so that's the question mark okay

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that's that's it's exactly why i'm and

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what about the next one the one that's

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in the middle of the top sampled so i

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don't know okay and then the the the

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really cool alien pick number four

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okay

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this one most unfortunately you have to

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realize that it costs thousands of

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00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,039
dollars to sample any one of these

569
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,440
formations correctly yeah and this

570
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:03,760
formation occurred at the very end of

571
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,039
the season when all the money we had to

572
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:09,360
to do the real the in-depth sampling was

573
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:10,480
gone

574
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:11,600
however

575
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,960
i did have my best field worker in uh

576
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:16,080
the uk

577
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,360
because we have them all over the world

578
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,840
but the guy who's the best in the uk

579
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:22,240
went into this one for me because i knew

580
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,760
it was going to be

581
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,960
you know people are really going to

582
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,880
carry on about it right

583
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:28,960
first point to know about it is it

584
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,440
occurred in a place where crop circles

585
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:33,840
do not usually occur

586
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:36,799
therefore there were no flyovers of that

587
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,840
area

588
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,520
and it could have been it could have

589
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,080
taken weeks to do and no one would have

590
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,799
been the wiser because the regular crop

591
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,279
circle tours you know checking for

592
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:49,520
circles never goes in this place

593
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:52,640
crabwood farm uh-huh so we don't know

594
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:55,840
how long it took to make number one

595
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,039
number two the crop circle field worker

596
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:01,919
mine is very reliable

597
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:04,159
did go through it very carefully because

598
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,679
there have been reports that some of

599
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,520
these lines that you see

600
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,600
were so fine they were only two inches

601
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,279
wide

602
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:12,880
that is incorrect

603
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:15,520
when the crop is old the seed heads flop

604
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:18,640
over right and you know they and so from

605
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:19,760
the air

606
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,320
the space looks a lot narrower than it

607
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,480
actually is oh i got you

608
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:26,799
those pathways were at least

609
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,360
five to six inches wide

610
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,360
that is big enough for a human foot you

611
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:33,039
see right

612
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:34,159
thirdly

613
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:35,760
he saw no

614
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,720
elongated apical nodes the top nodes

615
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:40,880
that's the most reliable indicator we

616
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:43,679
have he could see none

617
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,279
number two expulsion cavities the holes

618
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:49,520
blown out farther down the node length

619
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,080
the node stems right uh we're not

620
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:54,880
present either

621
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,400
now i don't know because we didn't

622
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,559
sample it and so ultimately you can't

623
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,880
say with any scientific off you know

624
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:04,480
authority

625
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:05,279
but

626
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,640
what i do know

627
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,559
and am strongly

628
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,880
uh i would it's as strong of feelings i

629
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:12,000
can have

630
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,840
about something one thing that's going

631
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,120
on in england

632
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,760
and that is that there are people and i

633
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,360
don't know who they are

634
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,679
who do not want the general public to

635
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,799
know

636
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,200
uh that the circle phenomenon generally

637
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,520
is real

638
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:28,960
why do you why do you why do you think

639
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:31,039
that is let me finish if these

640
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:32,559
individuals

641
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:35,520
were intent upon

642
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,360
skewing the public opinion

643
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,159
what would be an easy way to make people

644
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:43,919
laugh at the whole thing

645
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,320
you put a picture of a so-called alien

646
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:47,520
face

647
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,960
into the field immediately among many

648
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,520
people then dismissing the phenomenon

649
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,000
because they think it's impossible right

650
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:57,679
make a joke of it

651
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:01,919
yes make a joke and i suspect although i

652
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:04,000
i don't know for sure that this

653
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,080
particular one is one of those there

654
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:08,480
have been several others done like that

655
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,640
not like this face but done in for

656
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,960
exactly the same reason

657
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,120
where we know at least in one case that

658
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,919
it was man-made and it was again made to

659
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:19,279
ridicule

660
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:21,760
anybody who might be actually trying to

661
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,720
seriously you know look at these things

662
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:26,240
i don't know how you deal with that

663
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,720
either because that must be a constant

664
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,360
battle you just ignore it it costs money

665
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,520
unfortunately when we sample them it's a

666
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,440
pain in the neck because it wastes money

667
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,840
right but uh you know it comes with the

668
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,039
territory

669
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:41,520
okay one next to it the green that one

670
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:44,799
was not sampled okay on the second line

671
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:47,600
the next two were not sampled okay

672
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,399
the big fabulous one at milk hill that

673
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,720
those multi spirals i love that crop

674
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,200
soil was sampled

675
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:57,679
and again it wasn't sampled quite as

676
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,880
thoroughly as it ought to be because

677
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,200
that thing was enormous right

678
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,279
and it probably would have cost i don't

679
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,880
know four or five grand to get that

680
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:07,440
thing properly sampled and all those

681
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,240
soil everything dried down and it just

682
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,720
would have been a huge job but

683
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,960
elongated nodes were found throughout

684
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,720
expulsion cavities were

685
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:18,960
thrown were found throughout

686
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,440
and also very interestingly and you

687
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,240
can't tell this from the overhead photo

688
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,960
that field is not flat

689
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:28,720
it's undulating

690
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:30,799
you could stand in certain parts of that

691
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:33,760
and not see the other parts

692
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,640
oh i got you okay okay

693
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:38,240
yeah you can kind of

694
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,480
it now that you describe that yeah

695
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:44,240
you can only really see it from a low

696
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,360
shot but what was absolutely fascinating

697
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,600
and here again the field workers

698
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,840
my really good ones were working on this

699
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:53,679
and what they i had them do one thing

700
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:57,679
that we could do and that was to measure

701
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,279
many of the circles on the slopes

702
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,200
and what i wanted i had multiple

703
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,080
diameters measured in each case to see

704
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,679
if in fact the circles on the slopes

705
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,000
were actually circles or were they

706
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:14,480
ellipses

707
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,679
all of the circles large or small

708
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:19,600
that were on a slope

709
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,669
now

710
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,159
when you take an overhead photo and what

711
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:29,520
you see is a circle i got you right down

712
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,240
at it it's a circle what implies is that

713
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:34,880
the energy responsible for causing that

714
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:38,240
circle was coming straight down

715
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,240
and when it hit a a sloping area

716
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,960
it created an ellipse not a circle and

717
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:46,799
if it would have been man-made somebody

718
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,120
would have had to have done some insane

719
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:51,039
math

720
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,799
to to to set that up to do one create

721
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,000
the illusion

722
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,679
you know that it's a circle from above

723
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:59,520
oh my god to do that with every single

724
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,840
one of the examples that's on a slope

725
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:03,360
wow

726
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:08,399
point and and i will say this this crops

727
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,039
are this this particular one

728
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,399
when you look at this as opposed to

729
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,399
you know the just you know pick out any

730
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,720
of these other man-made ones here these

731
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,799
were done for art and these were done to

732
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:23,279
impress their friends i get that but

733
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,039
when you look at something like this

734
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,360
this is this there's a message behind

735
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,279
this there's something

736
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,200
this is this this is trying to say

737
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:33,919
something a simple message it's hey wake

738
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,799
up yeah right right right right

739
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,640
um and i think you understand so the

740
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,480
next one and this makes me very

741
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,919
unpopular with

742
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:43,520
many crappies

743
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,240
is absolutely man-made

744
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:49,279
uh it was the favored circle of the year

745
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,720
that year

746
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:52,799
most of the crop circle people

747
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,320
absolutely positive it was genuine

748
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,480
the reason i know it wasn't

749
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:00,640
was because one of our field workers

750
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,919
here in the united states an older man

751
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:05,840
who is does not have his name in the

752
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,880
public arena very modest guy

753
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:11,200
was in england that summer just you know

754
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,519
to see the crop circles right and when

755
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,679
that thing occurred that didn't occur in

756
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,120
one stage

757
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:18,960
some of these crop circles nowadays you

758
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,720
know occurrence in two or three stages

759
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:25,039
when that circle first went down it

760
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:27,279
didn't look like that

761
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:28,240
and

762
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:33,039
the hoaxers knew that there was more

763
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,159
coming

764
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,640
and so my friend and then to brits whom

765
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,000
i also know

766
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,559
had gone into that circle around 10 30

767
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,480
11 o'clock at night just when it's

768
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,880
starting to get dark in southern england

769
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,640
in the summer you've only got five hours

770
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,840
of darkness

771
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,519
in southern england

772
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,840
well they went into it separately these

773
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:54,000
two guys the two brits and then my

774
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:55,440
friend from

775
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,399
uh

776
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:57,919
where's he from he's from nashville

777
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:58,960
actually

778
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,279
they went in to simply take photos

779
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,240
because often in new crop circles

780
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,399
uh if you take your camera and take

781
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,760
photos you're going to get unusual

782
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,080
pictures weird things appear balls of

783
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,760
light and stripes of light and stuff

784
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,960
like that

785
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:14,799
and so they went in solely for that

786
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:17,679
purpose having absolutely no clue that

787
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,480
there was more coming right and these

788
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:22,799
three guys are in there two in one part

789
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,679
and then my natural friend and another

790
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,760
and they're taking pictures and waiting

791
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,039
and hoping they're going to see light

792
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:31,840
balls or something right and here come

793
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:34,159
five young strapping

794
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,669
i marched right in and said about

795
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:44,000
finishing what you see there in that

796
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,039
picture

797
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,960
how old were they i mean were they

798
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,000
artists

799
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:50,399
you know you well it's up to you they

800
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,919
were guys you know making crop circles

801
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,399
and they apparently were in their

802
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,720
middle 20s or 30s according to my

803
00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:00,080
nashville friend

804
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,600
he didn't have any idea who they were

805
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:03,200
and he was a little scared because he

806
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:06,159
was maybe 60 at the time

807
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,760
and these guys were young enough and

808
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,600
there were so many of them

809
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:11,600
and they did one of them did come up to

810
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:12,399
him

811
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,840
tell anybody

812
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,760
which made him feel just a little bit

813
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:19,919
threatened you know of course

814
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,720
and so he did he only stayed there for

815
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,880
another 15 or 20 minutes and he watched

816
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:25,760
them

817
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,159
it was that outer ring that was being it

818
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,000
was just they were none of those little

819
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,000
details were in there and he was

820
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,080
watching them make that

821
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:36,159
and because this one guy had come up and

822
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:37,440
told me he wasn't supposed to tell

823
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,480
anybody

824
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,720
he only waited another 15 or 20 minutes

825
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:42,799
and then he left because he just didn't

826
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,600
feel comfortable but in the morning

827
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,000
what had been a fairly simple

828
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:50,799
uh and elegant looking design had turned

829
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,399
into this and my personal sense is i

830
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:56,240
don't know the first part was man-made

831
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,600
because i don't have any witnesses to

832
00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:00,159
that okay but if the second part was

833
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,360
man-made

834
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:03,360
my common sense tells me

835
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,360
probably the first part was too

836
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,520
it was funny that you know it's so hard

837
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:11,679
to bust somebody and you had your team

838
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,240
there and it was just cold busted wasn't

839
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,079
it they just

840
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,079
well they were witnesses to the second

841
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:20,960
part being made now you can again if

842
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:23,520
some people choose not to believe

843
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,200
facts right that's a fact

844
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:29,599
and you can take it or not

845
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:32,159
but some people choose not to and then

846
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,599
the last picture also was not sampled

847
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:37,440
you have to remember that there are

848
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,560
often

849
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,159
in some years have been hundreds but

850
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,399
there are 60 70 80 of these every summer

851
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,480
in england right and with the amount of

852
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:46,960
money it takes to sample

853
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:49,119
properly sample and this is thousands of

854
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,240
plants

855
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,320
and then do all the work there's no way

856
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,720
we can do every single one and we have a

857
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,879
protocol or i had a protocol while we

858
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,800
were doing this and i was the only

859
00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:00,400
person in the world who knew this

860
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:01,760
protocol

861
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,400
i decided levin good who was doing the

862
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:06,079
plant work didn't know how i was doing

863
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:09,200
it john burke who's the bee in blt he

864
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:11,119
didn't know how i did it and none of the

865
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,560
field workers knew

866
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:15,359
every year i would change

867
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,240
the numbering and which one i was gonna

868
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:20,880
sample one year i would decide okay

869
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,640
every fifth one i hear about we're gonna

870
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,920
sample

871
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:25,680
the next year it might be every tenth

872
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,240
one i heard about or every third or

873
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,960
seventh or whatever and it was totally

874
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:33,040
arbitrary and i was the only person in

875
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,400
the world who knew

876
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,480
people would report them and i would

877
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:38,720
only tell them to sample whichever when

878
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:40,960
it came to be the right number

879
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:44,000
and i did that on purpose to avoid any

880
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,359
indication

881
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,680
of sampling bias

882
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:49,920
on the part of these field workers

883
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:52,480
so when um and and i kind of asked this

884
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,839
question earlier but when um and i

885
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:57,680
understand now what

886
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,160
when you have you know literally almost

887
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:02,560
100 crop circles each season that you

888
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:03,440
have to

889
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,760
can't do them all obviously um

890
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:09,280
i mean we had a lot of money we could

891
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,160
but right right so there's got to be a

892
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,960
listener send money

893
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:16,800
there has to be a way

894
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,599
uh to determine what you're gonna uh

895
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,440
investigate or not and so what you're

896
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,160
telling me just looking at photographs

897
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:26,560
isn't enough to determine you just have

898
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:27,280
to

899
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:30,400
a a random way of of selection is is

900
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,599
about the best way to get it done

901
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,599
there's just so many well that's the

902
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,599
most scientific way now there are people

903
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:37,440
who will tell you that they can tell by

904
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,480
looking

905
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,480
i'm telling you i can't

906
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:42,480
and i know the science and i know a lot

907
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,800
more than just the science and i would

908
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,560
never personally

909
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:49,200
uh take look at a picture and 100

910
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,320
guarantee

911
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,079
that it was fake unless i saw it being

912
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:54,400
made right right right right then i tell

913
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,280
you

914
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:58,240
well let's um let's let's let's let's

915
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,680
jump into the science really quick

916
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:01,839
before we have so many other

917
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:03,920
things that we need to cover tonight and

918
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,960
but all of it is is going to stem off of

919
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:09,200
how you do your research so

920
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:12,960
let's talk about that now and in the

921
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:14,960
uh the

922
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,640
science section there's some pictures

923
00:37:19,950 --> 00:37:18,480
there yeah let's go let's go to the top

924
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,960
gallery everybody just go over to

925
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,839
jimmychurchradio.com there's a science

926
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,040
gallery there

927
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:25,599
there's 10 photographs now accompanying

928
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,200
all of this

929
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,200
nancy you can interject when you need to

930
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,760
but over at the blt research website

931
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:33,280
there are plenty of

932
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:35,839
scientific charts and graphs and pdf

933
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:38,560
files uh all of the data for all of the

934
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,839
research and everything that is

935
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:41,200
submitted for

936
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:44,800
for peer review is all over at blt there

937
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,720
was so much stuff that i just couldn't

938
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,560
get it all here tonight and i just

939
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,320
didn't want to overwhelm everybody with

940
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,320
information but if you need to

941
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:57,200
um nancy will tell you what which uh

942
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,320
which uh

943
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,160
photograph has uh charts that can go

944
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,720
along with it let's start nancy you want

945
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,640
to start uh which which photograph do

946
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,560
you want first photograph that they need

947
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,640
to look at is the fourth one in the top

948
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:09,599
row

949
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:12,320
a lovely gal in a red

950
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,599
sort of top okay carrying a whole bunch

951
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,079
of plant samples and a bag full of soil

952
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,400
samples i've got that boyfriend behind

953
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:22,640
her with his arms filled with samples

954
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:24,079
what are they doing

955
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,680
they've just finished

956
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,320
that is a tiny little bit of what they

957
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,880
sampled in a particular formation and

958
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:32,240
they're coming out of the field bringing

959
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,440
it to the car

960
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,480
because it has to then go to a barn

961
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:38,880
and all the plants are then hung up to

962
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:41,920
dry the picture to the left of that

963
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,200
shows you some of the plant samples in

964
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:47,040
this case it's from a formation in

965
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,000
holland

966
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,640
that i've hung up to dry because there's

967
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,800
an opportunistic mold which will take

968
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,720
over the plants if they're not perfectly

969
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,680
dry

970
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:57,760
before they're wrapped up and shipped to

971
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,800
the us what does that mold do does it uh

972
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,119
it screws up the findings you can't you

973
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,200
know you can't rely on them then okay

974
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,599
okay so we have to we have to make sure

975
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,200
they're dry and that means renting a

976
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:11,520
barn in whatever foreign country we're

977
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,640
in

978
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,720
and all of these plant samples which are

979
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,480
labeled you can see the little labels

980
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:18,720
attached to the tops of the piles a

981
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,760
plant sample is 10 to 15 stalks

982
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,760
cut off at the base where it comes out

983
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:25,520
of the ground

984
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:26,880
and we take

985
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,720
anywhere between hundreds and to

986
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,119
thousands of these plants depending on

987
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,200
the size of the formation

988
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:35,280
depending on how much money we've got

989
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,160
right

990
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,160
you know a number of factors here but

991
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,480
there's a basic sampling protocol that

992
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:42,000
all of the field workers around the

993
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:42,880
world

994
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,160
had and were asked to follow exactly

995
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:49,119
so again we were not having people pick

996
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:50,400
plants that they thought were

997
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:51,599
interesting

998
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:54,560
we had them picking sample plants every

999
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,200
three feet or five feet or ten feet or

1000
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,440
whatever depending on the size of the

1001
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:01,680
formation and in straight lines

1002
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:04,800
diagonals going across these events

1003
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:06,880
uh simply taking them wrapping up a

1004
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,040
newspaper labeling them with the label

1005
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:10,800
and then off they would go to the barn

1006
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:13,119
to be dried down fascinating

1007
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,400
absolutely fast

1008
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:17,200
in the samples from inside they then had

1009
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:20,560
to go and take at least half as many

1010
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,240
sometimes two thirds as many controls

1011
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:26,480
these are plants taken outside the

1012
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:29,760
formation in straight lines heading away

1013
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:32,720
from the formation in multiple distances

1014
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,440
east south northwest whatever

1015
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,839
and again every two feet or three feet

1016
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,839
or five feet whatever the protocol was

1017
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,040
right right

1018
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:43,920
and so we then when those plans finally

1019
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,240
get to the lab in michigan

1020
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,400
levin good's job then

1021
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,079
was to start

1022
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,400
measuring literally measuring the top

1023
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:54,800
note it's called the apical node and if

1024
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:57,839
you go over to the right hand side of

1025
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,400
your images under science

1026
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,800
that first uh you know first line on the

1027
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,000
right

1028
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,800
what you got there are five sample

1029
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,720
plants on the left

1030
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:11,520
from a formation in canada

1031
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,800
and on the right are five control plants

1032
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:16,880
we've cut them so that we can line them

1033
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:19,119
up nicely so you can see them but those

1034
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,800
are the same five plants on the left

1035
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,280
from the from the formation

1036
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,839
and five controls from some distance

1037
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,040
outside

1038
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,000
to show you the difference in the sample

1039
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:33,040
plants as a as opposed to the controls

1040
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,160
okay so explain a little bit exactly

1041
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,160
what i'm looking at um i've got the

1042
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,079
picture up and i'm sure that everybody's

1043
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,720
looking at the same thing it's uh

1044
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,800
for everybody it's the

1045
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:46,960
fifth picture on the right in the top

1046
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,680
row of showing background with the white

1047
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:50,960
background now

1048
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:53,920
so uh see formation nodes same same plan

1049
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,359
okay all right so what what has happened

1050
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,200
to the first node that you're seeing

1051
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,119
there is the top node the first node

1052
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,119
beneath the seed head right it's

1053
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,040
normally about a foot and a half below

1054
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,200
the scene it's seated those are the

1055
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,079
nodes where we expect to see elongation

1056
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,400
stretching and what kind of plants is uh

1057
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:14,720
is this wheat is this grass is barley

1058
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,440
this particular one this is barley okay

1059
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:19,920
uh the second node and third nodes and

1060
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,240
fourth nodes are where we expect to see

1061
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:24,960
if they're present expulsion cavities

1062
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,520
and you can clearly see in this example

1063
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:29,760
that we have massive node elongation in

1064
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,000
the top nodes and we have expulsion

1065
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,839
cavities in both the second and third

1066
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:34,800
nodes

1067
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,599
now if you go down to the other image on

1068
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,440
the second line that has a white

1069
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,440
background

1070
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,440
that is you know the whole picture isn't

1071
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,760
showing but you can see a control on the

1072
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,200
left

1073
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,319
and you see a sample on the right

1074
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,800
and that is the apical node showing you

1075
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,240
the difference

1076
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,160
in the node length

1077
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:58,880
now i've i've gotta just i might be

1078
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,440
jumping in uh ahead a little bit here

1079
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,800
but what

1080
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,480
and i know we're gonna talk about this a

1081
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,040
lot but what is causing this

1082
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,960
let me tell you two more things and then

1083
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:11,200
i'll tell you okay the suspense is

1084
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:14,160
killing me okay go ahead

1085
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:17,040
go to the picture on the second row

1086
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:18,800
second one in

1087
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:21,760
second row second winning got it

1088
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,960
expulsion cavity big time right

1089
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,960
that's in that happens to be in corn

1090
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,640
maze

1091
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:30,880
uh they look the same but smaller of

1092
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,160
course in wheat or oats or barley these

1093
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:37,440
are holes blown out usually at the

1094
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:39,920
second node or the third or the fourth

1095
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:43,440
or all three depending on how how

1096
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,040
intense the energy exposure was

1097
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,160
and that's the second visible sign there

1098
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,560
are many other ways that we can tell but

1099
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:54,480
in the field there are only two visible

1100
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,440
signs

1101
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:57,359
the top the first one is that apical

1102
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,560
node elongation or stretching right the

1103
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,640
second one is the presence of expulsion

1104
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,079
cavities

1105
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,240
you see either one or both of those with

1106
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:08,480
your eyes in the circle and you can see

1107
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,000
them sure and you can be relatively sure

1108
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:14,240
that you're looking at the real mccoy

1109
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,359
and

1110
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,160
you're you you you're using a key word

1111
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,800
there you keep saying expulsion so what

1112
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,200
is being i'm getting i got one more

1113
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,520
thing i got okay go ahead go ahead

1114
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:27,440
go all the way to the second the picture

1115
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,640
on the left on the second line okay

1116
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:32,800
you're going to see a normal control

1117
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,520
seed head on the left

1118
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:37,920
and a shrunken and shriveled seed head

1119
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:40,960
on the right and it's obvious

1120
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:43,760
yeah that's really obvious now this is

1121
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:46,319
something this these samples were taken

1122
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,160
a month after the formation occurred and

1123
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:52,960
what you're seeing there is a normal

1124
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:55,040
development of the seed head in the

1125
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:56,560
control

1126
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,359
but the sample seed head has not grown

1127
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:01,680
at all

1128
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:04,720
all three of these changes the top node

1129
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,599
elongation the expulsion cavities and

1130
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:10,400
the seed heads the seeds not developing

1131
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,400
which is what's going on there

1132
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,920
are caused

1133
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,839
as best we can tell

1134
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,400
by extremely brief and i'm talking

1135
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,760
nanosecond

1136
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,880
bursts

1137
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:23,119
a very intense heat

1138
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,240
and the only heat that we know uh in in

1139
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:28,560
science that's capable of doing this is

1140
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:30,880
microwave radiation

1141
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,760
so we're talking about extremely brief

1142
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,839
very intense bursts

1143
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,160
of microwave radiation

1144
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,640
it's so brief it does not burn the

1145
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:41,920
plants

1146
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,960
what it does is it heats up the moisture

1147
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,200
inside the plant stem

1148
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:49,200
because that's how all the nutrients get

1149
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:50,960
to the seed head you know there's

1150
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:53,839
moisture inside these stems of course

1151
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,720
and what happens is it immediately turns

1152
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,240
to steam

1153
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:01,280
well what happens steam expands doesn't

1154
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,160
it

1155
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,640
kind of like uh popcorn in a microwave

1156
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,040
not to be well you jump in the gun a

1157
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:09,359
little bit yes okay that's motion

1158
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,800
cavities but the top nodes of the plants

1159
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,400
the apical nodes

1160
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,560
that's where the youngest and most

1161
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,200
elastic tissues are

1162
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,920
those top nodes stretch

1163
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:24,240
the tissues are so elastic that when the

1164
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,240
steam expands it expands the node and

1165
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,560
seeps out slowly through the expanded

1166
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,240
tissue got it

1167
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,800
farther down the plant stem the fibers

1168
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,800
are very tough that's how the plant

1169
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:39,119
stands up for heaven's sakes right those

1170
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:41,920
nodes do not expand so when the pressure

1171
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:48,470
and in the third situation what you've

1172
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:51,680
seen there is this uh effect that we

1173
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:52,800
find

1174
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,440
in almost every crop circle that occurs

1175
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,520
in immature plants

1176
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,160
plants early in the growing season

1177
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:03,040
before the seed is fully formed

1178
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,400
those microwaves interfere with and

1179
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,359
generally stop almost completely

1180
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:11,680
the development of those seeds

1181
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,560
essentially sterilizing the plants

1182
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,880
now when some when it's man-made and

1183
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,640
you've got your you know you've got your

1184
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:20,480
hoaxters in there with their boards and

1185
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,839
goofing around

1186
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:22,880
this

1187
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:28,240
not present correct

1188
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,280
correct

1189
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:31,599
ever

1190
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:32,400
if

1191
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,680
the hoaxers uh break the plants down

1192
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,240
so that it dies right

1193
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:42,559
then of course the seed head will stop

1194
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,000
developing right right right but the

1195
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,480
apical node elongation and the expulsion

1196
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:51,440
cavities will not be present explosion

1197
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,319
cavities once in a blue moon you will

1198
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:56,400
see them particularly this is

1199
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,440
interesting

1200
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,680
particularly in the tram lines you know

1201
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,119
these tractor lines that go through the

1202
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:02,880
fields right

1203
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,280
uh because these energies microwaves

1204
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,359
like to follow along what they call wave

1205
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:08,800
guides

1206
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:11,760
and the tractor lines actually function

1207
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,640
as wave guides in the field

1208
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,200
and so the microwave sometimes not

1209
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:19,040
always it depends on the length of time

1210
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:21,839
they're there and the intensity of them

1211
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:24,559
sometimes they'll travel right along the

1212
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,920
tractor lines up and down away from the

1213
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,280
crop formation

1214
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,119
and sometimes you will see expulsion

1215
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,160
cavities along those tractor lines but

1216
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:36,000
it's caused by the same thing the

1217
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:37,359
microwaves

1218
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,160
following what is a wave guide for them

1219
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,000
up and down the field

1220
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,079
now when and that now i'm picturing i'm

1221
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,000
picturing this in my mind and i'm

1222
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,760
starting to understand this a little bit

1223
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:49,359
and thank you for explaining it like

1224
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,480
that because

1225
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,000
me i've got a tiny brain and you're

1226
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:55,119
doing really well so but so

1227
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,640
in this little nanosecond of microwaved

1228
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,319
you know bursted

1229
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:02,880
you know radioactive energy just it just

1230
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:06,950
it's

1231
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:12,800
is but microwaves disperse immediately

1232
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:15,760
there's no remnant radioactivity at all

1233
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:18,559
do you think that uh and this is where i

1234
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,079
was going with uh like my question

1235
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,200
this this burst happens do these plants

1236
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:27,520
just like fall straight down i mean just

1237
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,400
like wow

1238
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,559
let me go on there's more involved okay

1239
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,400
okay okay

1240
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,040
crop circles are not caused just by

1241
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:37,119
exposure to microwave radiation that's

1242
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:40,240
only one of the energies involved

1243
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:41,280
um

1244
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,720
you didn't put these other pictures up

1245
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:44,000
so i'm just going to have to wing it

1246
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:45,119
here

1247
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,400
um

1248
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:48,480
well actually okay i can use one on the

1249
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:49,680
bottom

1250
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:52,000
list of pictures there you'll see a few

1251
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,839
green plants up against the yellow

1252
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:55,680
background yeah

1253
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,240
picture number four in the second row

1254
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,839
right okay

1255
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:01,359
the the

1256
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:04,000
the plants on the left

1257
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,520
are the sample plants

1258
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:09,680
these let's pick the one all the way on

1259
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,040
the right which you're not showing are

1260
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,000
the controls they're even shorter than

1261
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,760
what you're looking there is plants from

1262
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:18,319
two different areas of one circle and

1263
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,839
then the controls which are much shorter

1264
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:24,480
now this is what happens when crop

1265
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,440
circles occur in mature plants this is

1266
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:29,040
late in the season you know when the

1267
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,800
plants are beginning to

1268
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:32,480
uh when they're mature the seeds are

1269
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,839
fully formed

1270
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,280
and the

1271
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:37,839
uh plants are beginning to dry down

1272
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:40,400
when the circles happen then

1273
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:43,599
even though the seeds will be dehydrated

1274
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,920
and they weigh less and they look awful

1275
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,680
they look like the endosperm is all

1276
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:49,520
wrinkled they look like they're not

1277
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,520
going to do anything

1278
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,839
what we have consistently found and this

1279
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,440
is one of the most stunning of the

1280
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:57,280
things we have found

1281
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,079
those seeds when planted

1282
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,559
will germinate at up to five times the

1283
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,640
rate of normal really

1284
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,000
they grow

1285
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:08,800
much faster than the controls

1286
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,920
they produce greater yield

1287
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,240
and they do it without water or sunlight

1288
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,400
for long periods of time

1289
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,079
huh and how

1290
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,800
now that particular result we were able

1291
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:23,280
to replicate in the lab

1292
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:26,640
levinggood and burke developed a machine

1293
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:29,119
that delivers what they call ion

1294
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,559
avalanches

1295
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:32,559
what this really is is just imagine

1296
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:35,280
electrical pulses

1297
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:38,480
delivered to perfectly normal seeds when

1298
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:41,760
you get the right uh balance

1299
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:44,559
what happens is exactly the same thing

1300
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,240
you can take normal seeds run them

1301
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:47,839
through this machine which they call the

1302
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:51,200
mir machine all this information is on

1303
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,559
our plant abnormalities page on the blt

1304
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,960
website so people can see it in much

1305
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,480
greater detail

1306
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,240
but the fact is

1307
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,480
that these electrical pulses they're

1308
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,880
very unusual electrical pulses

1309
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,040
when you find exactly the right pulse

1310
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:08,880
and for right just how long you have to

1311
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:11,520
do it for the different kinds of plants

1312
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,400
you can cause this exact same change

1313
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:16,960
and so from that we know

1314
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:18,880
that another energy in addition to the

1315
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:21,599
microwave radiation there are also

1316
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,640
unusual electrical pulses as part of

1317
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,880
this energy system

1318
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:29,520
i'm having a real aha moment

1319
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,559
yeah goody okay now we've got one more

1320
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:35,119
okay one more energy that we've been

1321
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,400
able to

1322
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,480
i'm not saying this is all but it's all

1323
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:40,720
we've been able to do so far

1324
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,119
we were able to demonstrate conclusively

1325
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,319
that another energy is also involved and

1326
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,160
for this you need to go to the last

1327
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:50,720
picture on the bottom row the one of

1328
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:53,839
those tiny little spheres

1329
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,880
those are pure iron

1330
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,720
they're in the range of that's a photo

1331
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:01,040
micrograph so those are about

1332
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,920
30 or 40 microns in diameter they're

1333
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:05,440
invisible to the naked eye in other

1334
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:06,800
words

1335
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:09,599
and they're magnetized

1336
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,640
now what this means is

1337
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:15,119
that you know there are meteors and

1338
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:16,400
things coming into the earth's

1339
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,119
atmosphere all the time so you have

1340
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,040
meteoritic debris

1341
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,359
filtering down its dust really right

1342
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:24,960
filtering down through the earth's

1343
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:27,760
atmosphere all the time

1344
00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:29,839
if in fact

1345
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,480
that dust

1346
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:33,119
encounters

1347
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:35,440
a plasma system

1348
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,559
plasmas are known to have very strong

1349
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,200
magnetic fields when they spiral

1350
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:44,000
they're also known to emit very unusual

1351
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:45,920
electrical pulses

1352
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:48,720
and microwave radiation

1353
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,839
what happens is this dust is drawn if it

1354
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,000
happens to be happening when a crop

1355
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:56,400
circle is also happening

1356
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:00,000
the spiraling plasma pulls this dust

1357
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:03,040
into it heats it up with the microwaves

1358
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,880
it becomes molten

1359
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:07,200
and just like during the revolutionary

1360
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,079
war when we had to make shot remember we

1361
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,240
had to have shot towers and we would

1362
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,400
melt the lead on top of the shock tower

1363
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,720
and then drop it over the edge right

1364
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,640
that's how we made cannon balls right

1365
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:21,359
right right right same principle here

1366
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:24,079
you've got now these molten clumps

1367
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,079
falling through the atmosphere toward

1368
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:28,160
the earth and they naturally form

1369
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,599
spheres

1370
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:31,599
they're just tiny

1371
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,160
and these spheres are found

1372
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,559
in the crop circle soils and remember

1373
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,400
they're not visible in the naked eye you

1374
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,559
have to the soil samples are taken and

1375
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,160
then we have to filter them all out and

1376
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,559
look at it all under the microscope but

1377
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:47,040
we find them in the circles

1378
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,079
sometimes clustered around the centers

1379
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:52,480
of circular components

1380
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:55,040
sometimes more frequently clustered all

1381
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:56,640
around the edges

1382
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:00,000
of the circular components as if flung

1383
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,240
there by a rotating system of some kind

1384
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:06,319
and fascinatingly and this is why i

1385
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:07,599
wanted you to put in a couple of

1386
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,040
diagrams

1387
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,920
in the crop circle it's the second one

1388
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,280
on the top

1389
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,200
next to dr reynolds picture there's a

1390
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:17,680
crop circle there in canada right yellow

1391
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,640
yep

1392
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:20,480
okay in that circle

1393
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,160
that we we did sample the ringed circle

1394
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,200
the one that's cut off by the road yep

1395
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,359
and we found these particles as we

1396
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,000
usually do now but not only did we find

1397
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:35,119
them in this case they were deposited

1398
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,880
linearly

1399
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:37,920
meaning

1400
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:40,559
that the smallest amount was deposited

1401
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,119
dead center of that big circle

1402
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,599
and then they mathematically

1403
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,599
what is to be expected mathematically by

1404
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,920
this beer lambert principle the next

1405
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:52,559
amount was at the next sampling location

1406
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,319
and it kept increasing and increasing

1407
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:55,760
and increasing

1408
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,559
exactly as it would be as it would be if

1409
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,880
the beer lambert principle was involved

1410
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:02,480
wow and

1411
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,359
in produce this beautiful array

1412
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,920
the deposition of these particles the

1413
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:09,599
beer lambert principle is used in

1414
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,319
physics all the time because it is a

1415
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:14,559
mathematical description

1416
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,559
of what you can expect

1417
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,720
the changes that you can expect in

1418
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:19,760
matter

1419
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:22,400
when it is exposed to electromagnetic

1420
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:23,520
energies

1421
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,119
and it and it and it expanded uh from

1422
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,280
the from the exact center

1423
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:31,920
correct in this case not every case does

1424
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:35,040
it do that but this case was a classic

1425
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:35,920
case

1426
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,000
which absolutely rules out again

1427
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,240
mechanical flattening because these

1428
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:42,480
things are invisible these little teeny

1429
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:45,839
spheres right and how are you going to

1430
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:48,559
scatter along multiple radii we didn't

1431
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:50,960
sample this one right right of course

1432
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:53,520
right right right and yet along each one

1433
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:56,000
of them these increasing amounts were

1434
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,119
precise

1435
00:57:02,309 --> 00:56:59,280
at the 99 point something i think it was

1436
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,319
0.7 level confidence was there a was

1437
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,240
there a pattern to this were you able to

1438
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,400
demonstrate a pattern yeah and that was

1439
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,480
what the graph was for to show people oh

1440
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,160
stop

1441
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:13,440
but but what on the magnetic it's in the

1442
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,559
magnetic material in the soils right

1443
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:18,480
and you will see both the pattern that

1444
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,040
we found inside the circle

1445
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,040
and then you will see the erratic

1446
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:25,440
pattern that occurred immediately

1447
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,119
outside did the did the pattern create

1448
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,920
another visual pattern

1449
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,680
well if you think straight lines i mean

1450
00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:35,760
it was it created multiple straight

1451
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:38,839
lines wow of increasing amounts of these

1452
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,240
particles as you reach the external edge

1453
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:44,000
that's incredible that's absolutely

1454
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:45,040
incredible

1455
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:48,079
yes it is when um i'd like to see any

1456
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,319
hoaxer do that yeah right exactly well

1457
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:53,280
that's my that's exactly my question

1458
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:58,000
is is the magnetic uh soil uh material

1459
00:58:02,549 --> 00:57:58,880
um

1460
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:02,559
is it ever found in a man-made circle

1461
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,440
well i'm sure it is but but but what's

1462
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:08,000
what's the difference between the two

1463
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,720
well in further additional work since

1464
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:12,400
all this was done

1465
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,280
uh

1466
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:15,280
a guy nick reiter who was one of our

1467
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:18,319
guys unfortunately he died recently too

1468
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:22,319
he found that coal-fired power plants

1469
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,079
which are all over the earth's surface

1470
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:26,240
now these are just power plants run by

1471
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:27,920
coal right right

1472
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:30,240
the big smoke stacks on the top of them

1473
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:33,359
produce what is called an effluvia

1474
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,920
it just means debris you know leftover

1475
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:37,280
stuff

1476
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,240
little spheres

1477
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:44,720
of various materials

1478
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:47,520
not necessarily the pure iron spheres

1479
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:50,559
that we find in the crop circles but

1480
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:54,559
other effluvia that is magnetized and is

1481
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,000
spherical it happens to be larger

1482
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,559
considerably larger than what we find in

1483
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,880
the crop circles but it's all over the

1484
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,640
earth's surface now because there's

1485
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:05,839
there have been

1486
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,960
so many coal-fired plants operating for

1487
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:10,319
so long

1488
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:11,680
that the winds have pretty much

1489
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:14,160
dispersed this stuff everywhere

1490
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,359
so it becomes more and more important to

1491
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:19,680
look at the distribution

1492
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,960
of the stuff right than it does to find

1493
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:24,559
the actual stuff

1494
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,720
it is still significant in some cases

1495
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:28,720
the stuff itself right but it's that

1496
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:32,000
distribution which is an iron clad

1497
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:34,880
argument against the pranks with planks

1498
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,950
okay who's who's the gentleman in the

1499
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,720
the top left uh

1500
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:44,400
the picture

1501
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:48,079
that is the man who dr robert c reynolds

1502
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:49,200
jr

1503
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:50,960
head of the department of earth sciences

1504
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,720
at dartmouth college

1505
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:54,799
uh and

1506
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:57,440
then he was emeritus when he retired but

1507
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,559
he is the man who evaluated our x-ray

1508
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:03,119
diffraction the clay mineral study which

1509
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:04,720
is the most

1510
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,400
comprehensive

1511
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,400
uh study that's been done to date

1512
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:10,400
rockefeller gave me the money to do that

1513
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:11,440
study

1514
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,839
and dr reynolds

1515
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:16,079
was the world's authority on clay

1516
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,359
mineralogy and the xrd technique

1517
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,680
and when we had finished our study i'd

1518
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:23,599
employed a number of other scientists to

1519
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,960
do the work

1520
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:26,400
when we got the results i couldn't

1521
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:29,119
believe them and i knew that i needed an

1522
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:30,400
authority

1523
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:33,040
and i was lucky enough to i mean because

1524
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:34,960
dartmouth i'm in cambridge and dartmouth

1525
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:37,359
is not very far away and i called him

1526
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:40,559
into my amazement he agreed to let me

1527
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:41,599
come

1528
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,839
and then when he saw our work

1529
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,440
he couldn't believe it he said oh no no

1530
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:47,599
no no this can't be

1531
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,520
and he redid

1532
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:51,680
our the x-ray diffraction work on the

1533
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:54,400
dartmouth machine got the same results

1534
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:55,839
we got

1535
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:57,920
then he redid the statistics because i

1536
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:00,319
had hired a separate statistician

1537
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:02,319
and got the same thing that that man had

1538
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:03,520
gotten

1539
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,319
and

1540
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,319
then did a little bit more work on his

1541
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:08,400
own to see if he could rule out any

1542
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,839
other causation and when he was finished

1543
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:13,760
he finally said

1544
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:16,799
oh that there was in his opinion

1545
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:19,119
that this had never been seen before in

1546
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:20,720
surface soil

1547
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,680
these changes in the clays occur only in

1548
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:25,440
sedimentary rock

1549
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:27,839
which has literally thousands of pounds

1550
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,119
of mountain pressing down on the rock

1551
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:33,920
over hundreds or thousands of years

1552
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,480
and that's the only known way that this

1553
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:38,240
change in the crystalline structure

1554
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:39,599
occurs

1555
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,480
and yet here we had it in surface soil

1556
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:44,720
in this crop circle

1557
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:45,520
and

1558
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,799
he said

1559
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:48,720
that the only other way it could

1560
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:51,200
possibly occur in his opinion

1561
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:53,760
was if that field had been exposed to

1562
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,160
temperatures in the range of six to

1563
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:58,400
eight hundred degrees celsius for a

1564
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:00,559
matter of hours

1565
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,319
well obviously if the field had been

1566
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:04,319
exposed to those temperatures it would

1567
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:06,160
have burned the plants to nothingness

1568
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:07,520
that's right it would have been a black

1569
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:08,480
field

1570
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,400
exposed to what they call geologic

1571
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:14,400
pressure mountains you know pressing

1572
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:16,160
down it would have been smooshed to

1573
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,280
death

1574
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:19,920
and since neither of those factors were

1575
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:21,200
in evidence

1576
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:23,760
and all the indication all the xrd work

1577
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:26,079
and statistic work you know showed us

1578
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:28,319
that we did have the change

1579
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:30,559
he said and this is exactly what he said

1580
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:31,359
to me

1581
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:33,760
we must be dealing with an energy

1582
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:35,680
unknown to science

1583
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:37,039
how did he

1584
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:41,920
react would he was he just

1585
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,240
you know was because he's a sign of was

1586
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:46,799
he believing what he was saying himself

1587
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:48,079
if you know what i mean i've said it

1588
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:50,799
otherwise he was an incredibly elegant

1589
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:51,760
man

1590
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:52,960
brilliant

1591
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,240
and totally i mean literally

1592
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:58,640
the toast of his peers right he's head

1593
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,280
of the mineralogical society of america

1594
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:03,680
i mean he was everything you could be in

1595
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:06,319
the xrd and play mineral fields

1596
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:09,440
and he was very cautious at first

1597
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:11,359
very cautious well he would have had to

1598
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,319
have been and how did his peers react to

1599
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:16,480
they didn't like him doing this at all

1600
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,960
of course not they advised him not to

1601
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,319
but he ignored it because he was

1602
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:23,039
brilliant and he's the kind of scientist

1603
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:25,520
that when presented with

1604
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,760
what's right in front of his face

1605
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:29,680
uh a fact is a fact whether you

1606
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:32,319
understand it or not right he was the

1607
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:34,640
kind of scientist who would deal with

1608
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:35,760
that

1609
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:38,240
it was an incredibly lucky stroke for me

1610
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:39,280
and what did you do with this

1611
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:40,480
information

1612
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:43,119
i published it it's all in the xrd he

1613
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:45,440
and i actually he was he was so

1614
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:48,079
astonished he wanted to write a paper

1615
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:50,000
for nature the premier scientific

1616
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:51,119
journal

1617
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:54,000
and he and i began to write that paper

1618
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:56,880
but his wife suddenly became inexp

1619
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:00,559
inexplicably ill very quickly and died

1620
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:04,000
he was very close to her apparently he

1621
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:05,680
then became ill

1622
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:07,520
and i didn't want to interrupt i didn't

1623
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,359
want to bother him for a while

1624
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:11,520
but before we could get together to

1625
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:13,839
completely finish the paper

1626
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:15,440
he died

1627
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:18,079
and i could not possibly get a paper

1628
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,039
published in nature myself right

1629
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:23,760
without him and with him gone

1630
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:26,079
the only thing i could do was publish it

1631
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:29,119
on the blt website and i have

1632
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:30,960
all the data every single bit of the

1633
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:32,799
work is there

1634
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:33,760
so

1635
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,720
um

1636
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:36,799
okay we're up against let's take our

1637
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:39,760
first break and then when we come back

1638
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:42,640
uh we have so much to talk about and i

1639
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:44,880
want to tell everybody really quick um

1640
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:47,280
uh probably

1641
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:49,039
it was about three weeks ago nancy and i

1642
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:51,119
were talking one night on the phone and

1643
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:52,480
we talked for

1644
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:53,520
i don't know

1645
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:55,440
probably close to two hours hour and a

1646
01:05:02,309 --> 01:04:58,640
half and i kept telling nancy save this

1647
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:02,319
for the show nancy save this we we just

1648
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:04,880
had the most brilliant conversation and

1649
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:07,680
i'm just looking forward uh to us uh

1650
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,000
talking some more and and i just want

1651
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:12,400
everybody to stay with us but um oh uh

1652
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:14,960
nancy bear with me for one second i do

1653
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:16,160
have to

1654
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,640
uh make an announcement that i uh

1655
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:20,960
neglected at the beginning of the show

1656
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:23,039
uh we're we're running a little contest

1657
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:24,559
here at the uh

1658
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:26,240
at the studio

1659
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:28,799
and last night we we're gonna have three

1660
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:31,520
winners last night we had our first

1661
01:05:36,190 --> 01:05:34,000
and what it is is this we have easter

1662
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:36,200
eggs posted all over

1663
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:37,920
jimmychurchradio.com

1664
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:41,039
and each easter egg has got something

1665
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:43,039
tied to it i'm not going to say what it

1666
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:46,240
is you got to figure that out but we had

1667
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:48,559
our first winner last night he got all

1668
01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:50,160
of the easter eggs of course i'm not

1669
01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:52,240
going to say how many he got everything

1670
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:54,559
that was tied to it and he did a

1671
01:06:00,069 --> 01:05:57,920
brilliant job and we had i don't know

1672
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:00,079
we had a lot of responses last night and

1673
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:02,799
nobody was right except for david curry

1674
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:05,920
in springfield illinois he was our first

1675
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:09,039
winner we will be doing two more

1676
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:10,559
the contest will run through tomorrow

1677
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:12,799
night the winner i've got some really

1678
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:14,319
cool dvd

1679
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:17,599
ufo lecture dvds that are very special

1680
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:18,799
and he

1681
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,200
he got his last night and we contacted

1682
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,440
him today so congratulations dave

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01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:25,440
and we will have two more winners so

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01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,799
with that let's take a a quick break

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01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:30,640
and we'll be back in two minutes more

1686
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:33,200
with nancy talbott

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01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:36,160
thank you you got it and we will be back

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01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:38,559
right after this stay with us everybody

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01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:41,680
oh whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

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01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:44,240
whoa that was the wrong music

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01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,720
let's go here we go all right everybody

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01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:48,240
we'll be right back

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01:06:52,349 --> 01:06:50,160
fade to black with your host jimmy

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01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:52,359
church shoot me an email to jimmy

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01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:54,559
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that's the number you need to call when

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01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:33,760
you are seeking spiritual enlightenment

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01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:08,960
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01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:10,319
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01:08:18,349 --> 01:08:16,000
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01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:18,359
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01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:21,040
jimmychurchradio.com don't hurt me jimmy

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01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:23,679
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01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:25,520
and this is ari gold we're the honey

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01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,390
hey i'm adrian grenier and i'm ari gold

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01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:34,000
we're the honey brothers

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01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:36,319
and you're listening to jimmy church a

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01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:47,669
despite popular opinion

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01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,080
reading a book will not make you smarter

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01:09:17,749 --> 01:08:54,480
but listening to jimmy church will

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01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:19,590
all right everybody welcome back fade to

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black

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01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,480
on the dark matter radio network

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01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:26,480
i'm your host

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01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:29,120
jimmy church how is everybody doing this

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01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:32,080
is a show this is what i like to do

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01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:33,120
like to

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01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,759
right now

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01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:39,520
you still with us nancy

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01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:42,880
i am okay now i just got some great news

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01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:45,520
from uh our show producers here in the

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01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:46,719
studio

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01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:48,799
uh this is for everybody out there just

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01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:50,319
listen to me really quick it's not that

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01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,600
complicated

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01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:53,600
but uh our producers were listening to

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01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:55,520
nancy here at the studio and so what

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01:09:59,630 --> 01:09:57,760
they did in real time

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01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,640
if you refresh

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01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:01,280
jimmychurchradio.com just go and just

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01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:03,440
refresh the homepage just refresh the

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01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:04,560
page

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01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,760
under the home button up on the top you

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01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:09,920
click on that there's now a subpage that

1748
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,600
says nancy

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01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:13,840
talbot

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01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:22,000
and all of the pictures that you sent us

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01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,480
earlier today nancy are there

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01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,719
and uh but i don't want to complicate

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01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,239
the situation but everything is there

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01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:30,960
and we'll get to that in a second but it

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01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:33,360
is there so everybody can go

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01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:36,320
and uh check out um stuff as we need it

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01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:37,440
but

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01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:40,480
the reason why tell me what i have to do

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01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:41,920
because i don't

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01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:44,159
okay man i'm so good with computers all

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01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:46,880
right nancy just up on the top home the

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01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:49,920
home button right at the top of the page

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01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:51,679
scroll over that and then you will see

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01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:54,560
your name pop up nancy you see it right

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01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:55,600
there

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01:11:03,270 --> 01:10:56,400
no

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01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:03,280
will if you you have to refresh the page

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01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:06,400
oh yes thank you okay so very good so

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01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,679
all those pictures are there we'll get

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01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:09,440
back to that let's want to keep moving

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01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:11,120
forward here um

1772
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:12,719
while you goof around with that nancy

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01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,000
and see what's there nancy and i uh got

1774
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:19,040
in touch three weeks ago uh

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01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:20,239
when

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01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:21,760
nvidia

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01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:22,560
the

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01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:24,960
microchip company that you know

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01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:27,840
basically uh does uh video

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01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:31,120
cards i have an nvidia card in

1781
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:32,880
probably every computer here in the

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01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:34,239
studio

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01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:35,360
so they

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01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,239
uh for the big ces convention uh that

1785
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:40,400
was going on in las vegas

1786
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,360
they decided to pull a publicity stunt

1787
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:45,920
and did this crop circle

1788
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:47,760
up in northern california

1789
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:51,120
now the crop circle turned out to be

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01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:52,640
man-made

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01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:53,679
and

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01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:54,400
that

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01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:59,360
nancy and i

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01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:00,480
talked

1795
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,480
it's because and nancy i'm going to let

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01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:04,560
you run with this but if everybody goes

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01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:06,880
on the home page and you can click right

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01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:09,600
there and uh

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01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:10,960
chualar

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01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:13,600
california that's the nvidia crop circle

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01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:14,960
there's a bunch of information there

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01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,440
that nancy sent us today now nancy so

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01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:19,679
what i want you to do

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01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:24,000
is tell me or tell us the story just

1805
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:26,159
like you told me on the phone that night

1806
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:29,120
about how you found out

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01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:30,400
before you know what i'll let you just

1808
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:31,760
tell the story i'm not gonna i'm not

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01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:33,280
gonna let the cat out of the bag because

1810
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:34,880
it's a great so just go ahead and you

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01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:38,560
run with it before i do that jimmy we

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01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:40,239
need to finish one little thing about

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01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:42,960
the science okay go ahead nancy

1814
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:45,120
it's about so like they can understand

1815
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:47,760
the design thing and the plasma thing

1816
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:49,520
you know what's funny i feel like my

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01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:51,679
school teacher just whacked me across my

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01:13:02,470 --> 01:12:59,430
okay go ahead nancy go ahead

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01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,480
okay briefly what we know from the blt

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01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:04,480
work is the presence of microwave

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01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:06,880
radiation unusual electrical pulses and

1822
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,080
strong magnetic fields as part of at

1823
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:12,159
least part of whatever it is it's making

1824
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:13,840
the crop circles

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01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:16,800
those three energies are known in

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01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:20,719
science to be associated with plot

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01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,640
plasma discharges

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01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,880
a plasma discharge you are all familiar

1829
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:27,120
with is a very high energy one is a

1830
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:28,719
lightning strike right

1831
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,520
right much lower energy plasma discharge

1832
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:33,360
that everybody knows about the northern

1833
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:35,199
lights

1834
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:38,000
but spirals i mean plasmas when they

1835
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:39,040
spiral

1836
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,440
absolutely give off these unusual

1837
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:43,679
electrical pulses these strong magnetic

1838
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:46,560
fields and the microwave radiation and

1839
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,880
levinggood the biophysicist who did all

1840
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:50,640
this early plant work

1841
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,040
it was his theory and this is how we got

1842
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:55,199
the three papers published in the

1843
01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:57,280
peer-reviewed literature

1844
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:01,920
he proposed that a plasma discharge

1845
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:05,040
of some as yet unknown kind

1846
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:07,840
science is always finding new examples

1847
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,320
red sprites have recently been found

1848
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:12,640
blue jets have recently been found their

1849
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:15,360
plasma discharges loving good proposed

1850
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:18,080
that perhaps there was some kind of as

1851
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:21,600
yet unidentified plasma discharge that

1852
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:24,000
was creating the crop circles

1853
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:26,880
and it was a very reasonable hypothesis

1854
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:30,320
because based on his work all of his

1855
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:33,199
basic findings fit that particular

1856
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,199
hypothesis very well

1857
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:37,199
particularly since

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01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:40,840
uh nature produces completely

1859
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:43,679
spontaneously all sorts of

1860
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:46,960
very intricate designs think of the seed

1861
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,400
head of

1862
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,800
a sunflower for instance sure

1863
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:52,640
i mean that's just i'm talking about

1864
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:55,520
design right geometric as can be circles

1865
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:57,920
that look exactly like that right

1866
01:15:02,390 --> 01:15:00,400
uh you think of a nautilus shell right

1867
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:02,400
that's what comes to mind first sure

1868
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:05,199
exactly or snowflakes or whatever right

1869
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,400
the point is that nature can produce

1870
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:10,800
all kinds of very intricate design and

1871
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:12,960
it does all the time we don't notice it

1872
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:14,560
because we're used to it

1873
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,679
okay

1874
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:18,080
one more fact then so you know basically

1875
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,880
on the record is this idea of a plasma

1876
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:23,120
discharge being responsible for the

1877
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:24,719
circle phenomenon

1878
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:27,199
but that only takes into account leaving

1879
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,560
goods work

1880
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:30,239
the earlier work

1881
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:34,080
when uh the clay mineral study was done

1882
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:38,320
we tested a lot of the control plants

1883
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:40,159
and control soils

1884
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:42,800
to see if the soils actually to see if

1885
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:46,480
microwave radiation exposure alone

1886
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:48,880
could cause the changes in the clays and

1887
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:50,640
it didn't

1888
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:53,280
so it appears i think levin good's

1889
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:57,040
hypothesis is a very good starting point

1890
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:59,199
he was accurate in talking about the

1891
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:01,120
energies the effects of the energies

1892
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:03,280
that he discovered that doesn't mean

1893
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:05,679
it's the final answer

1894
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,239
and i just want people to realize that

1895
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:10,560
in science you build on a foundation you

1896
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:12,719
add as new discoveries

1897
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:15,280
add to your knowledge base

1898
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:18,719
so i hope that makes that part clear

1899
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,000
okay well

1900
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:22,320
my question when you explain it like

1901
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:23,760
that

1902
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:26,719
does is the plasma strong enough to

1903
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:28,480
create the

1904
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:29,760
the

1905
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:33,600
oh yes okay

1906
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:36,239
i mean the there is something he always

1907
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:38,320
called it angular momentum because he

1908
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:39,760
didn't know what the hell else to call

1909
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:41,199
it but

1910
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:42,960
obviously the energies that we've

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01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:45,199
identified are only part of what is

1912
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,480
going on

1913
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:48,719
there has to be something which is

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01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:50,880
actually flattening the plants

1915
01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:52,960
when you soften them with the microwaves

1916
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:54,880
the microwaves turning the inside you

1917
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:55,760
know to

1918
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:58,400
to moisture to steam that softens the

1919
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:01,120
plant stem and will allow it to kind of

1920
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:04,000
flop over but it doesn't swirl it into

1921
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:06,480
the patterns right something else that

1922
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,640
we don't know what that is yet right

1923
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,560
right he's been able to identify that

1924
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:12,880
yet and lord knows there may be other

1925
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:15,040
energies involved that we didn't see

1926
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:17,360
right and there's one thing um

1927
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:19,920
that i have noticed and we'll get back

1928
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:21,520
to our conversation but there's one

1929
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:23,360
thing i've noticed over the years

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01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:25,600
uh where there are certain

1931
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,000
when you can tell at least to my eyes uh

1932
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:30,239
when you have a non-man-made uh crop

1933
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,280
circle

1934
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:33,360
um and certainly in the center in the

1935
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:35,520
very center you see these

1936
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:38,719
the plants are are swirled and woven

1937
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:40,640
into each other like it's been in some

1938
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:43,280
kind of vortex or some kind of

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01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:45,679
you know and there's no way that i if i

1940
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:46,960
was if

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01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,960
if i was there watching somebody they

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01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:50,880
would have to sit there and weave this

1943
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:52,719
thing for about a month and a half to

1944
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,760
get this

1945
01:17:57,910 --> 01:17:55,520
pattern to happen

1946
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:57,920
there's another point that's that we

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01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:59,360
it's not mentioned because the pictures

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01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:00,960
weren't up there but

1949
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:03,600
the fact of the matter is that there are

1950
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:07,199
randomly downed areas of plants

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01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:10,320
often in association with a geometric

1952
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:11,760
design

1953
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:13,760
and sometimes these randomly downed

1954
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:16,719
areas will cross over the geometric

1955
01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:19,920
design or be close to it right or be or

1956
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:22,560
in the same field exactly we know from

1957
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:25,120
having tested many of those

1958
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:28,000
that the same changes are found in those

1959
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:29,199
plants

1960
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,280
even though there's no

1961
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:33,520
you know design they're just randomly

1962
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:34,480
down

1963
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:40,640
can be caused by weather you know or

1964
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:43,040
over fertilization if the seed head

1965
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:44,880
becomes too developed because they put

1966
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:47,120
too much nitrogen on right it makes the

1967
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:49,920
plant too heavy and it could flop over

1968
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:53,199
there are reasons why randomly down crop

1969
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:54,880
occur they have nothing to do with the

1970
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:57,360
crop circle phenomenon

1971
01:19:03,030 --> 01:18:59,760
but we know that the real phenomenon

1972
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:03,040
does also create randomly downed areas

1973
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:05,040
and if you go to our field report

1974
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:07,760
section on the blt website you'll see

1975
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:10,480
some beautiful examples of that and

1976
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:12,960
other stuff from a whole series of tests

1977
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:17,840
we did in 19 in 2009 in england

1978
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:19,600
there's one other thing that might help

1979
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:23,120
people on our published papers page

1980
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,280
the scientific papers are probably too

1981
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:27,440
heavy for a lot of people to read but

1982
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:29,360
underneath them we have books and

1983
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:30,719
articles

1984
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:34,400
and in particular there is a short piece

1985
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:37,360
called the physics of crop formations

1986
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:39,199
written by john burke

1987
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:41,840
and it's written in everyday layman's

1988
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,960
language

1989
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:44,800
and people who are more interested in

1990
01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:47,840
understanding leaving good's hypothesis

1991
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:49,840
could read that and i'm sure they'll be

1992
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:51,920
able to understand it

1993
01:19:56,950 --> 01:19:54,640
uh you think i would understand it yeah

1994
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:56,960
okay all right well then there you go i

1995
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:59,760
think we'll be all right

1996
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:00,640
and

1997
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:04,080
i was reading you know i i got through

1998
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:06,560
your website isn't for

1999
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:10,320
um it it just isn't for it's not um it's

2000
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,960
not a sensational it's not tmz you know

2001
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:14,000
it's not

2002
01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:20,320
purely scientific

2003
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:22,960
uh point of view and and that's where

2004
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:24,800
the uh that's where the set of eyes

2005
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:25,920
comes from

2006
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,040
and i i love it i i i try to understand

2007
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:31,440
all of it but it is very straightforward

2008
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:33,199
i always say black and white but that's

2009
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:35,679
exactly what it is there isn't anything

2010
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:38,239
left open and and i really respect that

2011
01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:39,360
exactly

2012
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:42,400
and we present whatever facts we've got

2013
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:44,800
as clearly as i can write them

2014
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:47,600
and i'm open to people don't understand

2015
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:49,600
something write me call me and i'll

2016
01:20:58,229 --> 01:20:55,110
that's all you can do let's let's jump

2017
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:58,239
into this nvidia thing because uh

2018
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:59,199
okay

2019
01:21:02,550 --> 01:21:00,080
is

2020
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:02,560
first off for everybody out there

2021
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:03,520
uh

2022
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:06,560
this this report came out this new story

2023
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,480
broke a few weeks ago this crop circle

2024
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:10,960
here in california and it is it

2025
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:12,960
we know now well we knew almost

2026
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:14,960
immediately that it was

2027
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:15,920
uh

2028
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:21,360
think they even made a commercial out of

2029
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:22,159
it but

2030
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:23,120
um

2031
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:26,080
uh of a chip it's just of a nvidia chip

2032
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:29,040
of uh something that uh they were either

2033
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:31,120
introducing or or whatever but that's

2034
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:33,120
what it turned out to be new that's

2035
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:35,679
really hot stuff apparently yeah exactly

2036
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:36,800
and so

2037
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:39,199
you and i have our conversation and i

2038
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:40,560
didn't know

2039
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:43,360
uh when you and i first started talking

2040
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:45,199
and that's why i want you to tell the

2041
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:47,280
story i want you to hit everybody the

2042
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:50,239
way you hit me with it i didn't know

2043
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:52,000
what you and i were going to talk about

2044
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:53,280
i knew it was going to be

2045
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:54,960
about the crop circle

2046
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,480
and and i knew that but then you nearly

2047
01:22:02,229 --> 01:22:00,719
made me crash my car that night and we

2048
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:02,239
ended up staying on the phone for quite

2049
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:04,400
a long time so

2050
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:06,560
i'm going to let you just tell everybody

2051
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:07,520
this

2052
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:08,960
extraordinary is the only word that i

2053
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:11,840
can think of the the story of how

2054
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,719
you found out no no wait a minute you

2055
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:16,400
just tell the story tell the story of

2056
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:18,880
the nvidia chip for people who want to

2057
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:21,440
follow it on me and on the website it's

2058
01:22:26,470 --> 01:22:23,760
the very first

2059
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:26,480
item on the home page for blt research

2060
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:28,719
dot com the first thing with a new

2061
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:30,800
button that's the story that i'm going

2062
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:34,080
to be telling okay okay monday december

2063
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:35,360
30th

2064
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:37,760
uh i get a telephone call i don't know

2065
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:39,920
around maybe 12 1 o'clock in the

2066
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:42,000
afternoon in california

2067
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:44,639
from a reporter oh

2068
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:47,199
i think it was the denver

2069
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:50,000
i'm not the denver it was uh

2070
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:51,199
hell i can't remember the name of the

2071
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:54,080
paper oh hey harold

2072
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:56,480
and he's telling me that a crop circle

2073
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:58,560
has just been found in the salinas

2074
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:59,679
valley

2075
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:00,960
and

2076
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:04,000
it just kills me first thing he says is

2077
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:06,080
uh he wants me to tell him from a

2078
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:08,000
picture is he real

2079
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:09,199
like i did

2080
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,080
i'm thinking oh my god oh dear lord so i

2081
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:14,400
tell the man look i'm really sorry but

2082
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:17,120
the only way that i know to absolutely

2083
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:19,040
for sure for real

2084
01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:21,040
tell you whether a formation is genuine

2085
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,120
or not is if we sample it and do all the

2086
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:25,199
work and then i could tell you

2087
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:27,840
he didn't like that that was boring

2088
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:29,760
he wanted something more sensational and

2089
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:31,840
i just can't do it

2090
01:23:34,870 --> 01:23:33,360
i asked him if he would send me a

2091
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:34,880
picture and he did

2092
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:37,840
and my first take it looked fake to me

2093
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:40,000
but i don't and i told him that but it

2094
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:41,920
looked man-made to me but that i could

2095
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:44,400
not possibly say that it was without

2096
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:47,120
some actual work being done

2097
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:48,560
um

2098
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:49,600
then

2099
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:51,520
we he talked for a few minutes but he

2100
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:54,159
didn't the science they think the public

2101
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:56,320
is too stupid you see

2102
01:24:01,830 --> 01:23:58,960
and i know the public isn't if you

2103
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:01,840
explain it carefully and thoughtfully

2104
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:04,080
it's not rocket science you can explain

2105
01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:06,400
it but he wasn't willing to even make

2106
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:09,440
the effort so he eventually hung up

2107
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:12,400
and it just happened that a young dutch

2108
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:14,880
medium robert vandenbrook

2109
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:18,000
whom i've worked with since he was

2110
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:21,040
17 he's now 34.

2111
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:22,800
oh and i'll tell you how i got to know

2112
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:24,239
him eventually

2113
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:25,920
but um

2114
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:29,520
he and i he skyped me which was very

2115
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:31,840
rare normally we're on skype at night

2116
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:34,239
but it is in the middle of the day

2117
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:36,560
and this is before there was anything

2118
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:38,560
written anywhere on the internet or

2119
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:41,040
newspapers or anywhere about the circle

2120
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:42,560
and all i had

2121
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:44,719
was the information from this guy that

2122
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,440
it was in the salinas valley

2123
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:49,280
it had been made or had been found

2124
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:51,280
monday morning

2125
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:52,800
and uh

2126
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:55,040
i had one ariel that was it

2127
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:57,280
so just for the heck of it because

2128
01:25:01,750 --> 01:24:59,760
robert can tell by looking at a picture

2129
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:01,760
he's the only other way i know to tell

2130
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:02,880
for sure

2131
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:04,880
and i can't prove that scientifically i

2132
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:06,639
just know he can because he does it all

2133
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:09,199
the time right but i thought to myself

2134
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:11,040
what the heck i'm going to show this to

2135
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:13,040
him and see what he says because my

2136
01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:15,600
impression was oh dear that is that is

2137
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:17,440
mechanically flattened that is not a

2138
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:19,360
genuine circle right but i didn't say

2139
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:21,600
that to him i just sent him the picture

2140
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:23,120
and i didn't even tell him where i said

2141
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:25,520
it's in california robert does not

2142
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:26,480
travel

2143
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:27,520
he has

2144
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:30,159
no formal education he doesn't even know

2145
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:32,800
where california is he knows it's a u.s

2146
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:35,199
state but that's all he knows and it

2147
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:38,080
doesn't matter to him where things are

2148
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:39,600
and i just sent him the picture and i

2149
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:42,560
said would you tell me oh

2150
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:44,719
what you think

2151
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:47,520
and it came and it went over and boom

2152
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:49,760
right away says oh that's man-made

2153
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:52,639
and then he starts talking and i grab my

2154
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:54,880
pen and i start to write because he does

2155
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:57,520
this sometimes not all the time

2156
01:26:02,310 --> 01:25:59,920
first thing he says to me the very first

2157
01:26:04,550 --> 01:26:02,320
thing he said is

2158
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,560
and he couldn't pronounce it because he

2159
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:06,960
doesn't read or write english

2160
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:09,280
so then he skyped it to me he typed it

2161
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:11,840
into a skype thing and what he typed was

2162
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:14,800
priscetti's custom land work

2163
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:16,159
he didn't know what it said there were

2164
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,360
no spaces there was no apostrophe and he

2165
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:21,360
asked me to read it to him so i read it

2166
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:23,600
back and i said i think it's the last

2167
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:26,639
name of somebody named chrisetti

2168
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:29,120
and it's a company that does something

2169
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:31,760
called custom land work which i didn't

2170
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:33,199
know what that was but that's what it

2171
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:34,639
sounded like

2172
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:37,679
and so uh he then

2173
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:39,760
is going starting to go on with other

2174
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:41,840
information he's telling me about a

2175
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:45,520
tractor driver he's telling me about

2176
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,400
that the tractor driver is watching the

2177
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:50,400
guys making this circle

2178
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:53,440
on saturday not monday saturday and this

2179
01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:55,760
is all in the same conversation yeah

2180
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:57,600
yeah yeah this is monday one o'clock two

2181
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:59,440
o'clock in the afternoon okay eastern

2182
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:00,960
time okay

2183
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:02,560
and so

2184
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:05,520
uh as he's talking i'm googling like

2185
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:07,520
crazy trying to see if i can find this

2186
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:08,960
cressetti thing

2187
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:12,000
i type cressetti apostrophe s

2188
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:15,199
custom land work plus california because

2189
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:17,600
i'm figuring if he's getting a hit and

2190
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:19,520
this is a company it's probably going to

2191
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:21,440
be somewhere in california and

2192
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:23,840
immediately right bingo right away up

2193
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:26,560
comes prosetti custom land where wow and

2194
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:28,960
i told him i said guess what robert

2195
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:32,000
there's a place and it's a real place

2196
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:33,920
and both of us then got goosebumps you

2197
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,600
know like oh my goodness he's he's going

2198
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:37,520
to do it again right

2199
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:39,440
and i'm thinking all right i better

2200
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:41,280
write so i'm writing now as he's telling

2201
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:44,719
me he sees the tractor he sees this man

2202
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:48,080
in the tractor and the man is connected

2203
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:51,760
somehow to cressetti custom land work he

2204
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:53,760
doesn't know how but he knows they're

2205
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:56,159
connected the man is not making the

2206
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,040
circle he is watching the people who are

2207
01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:01,280
making the circle oh so the guy in the

2208
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:02,320
tractor

2209
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:04,800
uh just so i'm clear has nothing to do

2210
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:07,120
he is just an observer just working in a

2211
01:28:11,189 --> 01:28:09,679
field across the street right okay okay

2212
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:11,199
i got you

2213
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:13,280
he doesn't know anything about anything

2214
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,480
turns out

2215
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,320
i'll tell you in a minute

2216
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:18,400
how i found out more about that then

2217
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:21,679
robert goes on and starts to describe

2218
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:23,679
one of the individuals

2219
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:26,000
because he can see him in his head

2220
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:28,080
and he starts trying to describe to me

2221
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:30,480
this guy's uh face

2222
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:32,880
and he's telling me about what i think

2223
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:35,120
we would call mutton chops you know lots

2224
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:39,360
and lots of big fuzzy sideburns gotcha

2225
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:42,320
and he's telling me that the guy is and

2226
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:46,239
he gives me exactly his build his age

2227
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:48,159
i've gotta see if i can find its way

2228
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,600
down here

2229
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:51,600
it just says

2230
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:53,040
um

2231
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:55,280
okay he describes him

2232
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:01,030
uh i have to find the right place it's

2233
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:03,760
okay nancy it's okay just uh continue

2234
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:11,590
he saw this guy standing near or in the

2235
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:12,639
circle

2236
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,800
holding a plank of wood and grinning

2237
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:16,320
from ear to ear

2238
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:18,639
looking very pleased with himself

2239
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:22,159
he was broad-shouldered but not too tall

2240
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:25,360
and in the summer years of his life

2241
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:26,880
uh robert's english is a little

2242
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:29,440
different from how we would speak

2243
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,440
he says that the guy lived in the

2244
01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:33,920
general area and usually wears a white

2245
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:37,120
t-shirt and cut off jeans and a small

2246
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,760
cap of some kind it was some sort of hat

2247
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:41,280
thing that he wasn't really familiar

2248
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:43,679
with and he said he saw some reddish

2249
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:45,199
color in it

2250
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:47,600
he also saw that the man was wearing

2251
01:29:53,669 --> 01:29:50,800
large plastic wrap around sunglasses

2252
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:53,679
that he had short grayish black hair

2253
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:55,600
and then all this bushy stuff around the

2254
01:29:59,430 --> 01:29:57,520
side of his face

2255
01:30:02,229 --> 01:29:59,440
he said that

2256
01:30:05,110 --> 01:30:02,239
the man sometimes had a full beard but

2257
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:05,120
sometimes he shaved but he thought maybe

2258
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:07,360
this time he didn't have the the stuff

2259
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:09,520
on the lower face he couldn't see his

2260
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:10,320
chin

2261
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:12,960
or his neck so he wasn't sure whether

2262
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:15,440
the guy had a full beard or not

2263
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:18,480
and then he described this wide smile

2264
01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:21,520
the man's mouth apparently is quite wide

2265
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:24,239
and when he smiles or grins his teeth

2266
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:25,920
don't show which is kind of weird you

2267
01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:28,320
know right right right right

2268
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:30,800
the lips don't don't part

2269
01:30:36,390 --> 01:30:33,760
and then he said as he so often does in

2270
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:36,400
these things he got the letter r he

2271
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:38,639
usually gets whole names but all he

2272
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:41,360
could get this time to begin with was r

2273
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:42,560
uh

2274
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:45,760
i saw another weird detail an orange

2275
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:48,560
colored kite of the time of the kind

2276
01:30:53,189 --> 01:30:51,199
that children like to fly

2277
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:53,199
for everybody starts going on with a

2278
01:30:57,830 --> 01:30:56,080
bunch of other details about another guy

2279
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:57,840
okay nancy i just want to just jump in

2280
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:00,239
really quick just really fast the the

2281
01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:03,280
sketch that nancy's referring to

2282
01:31:09,270 --> 01:31:06,880
is in the gallery so if you just go down

2283
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:09,280
to the gallery and you can see there is

2284
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:11,840
a sketch there in the choilar california

2285
01:31:16,229 --> 01:31:13,840
gallery it's in the second row looks

2286
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:16,239
like a bank robber with sunglasses but

2287
01:31:21,270 --> 01:31:18,800
yeah it does it does it does it does so

2288
01:31:23,830 --> 01:31:21,280
good while nancy's describing everything

2289
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:23,840
this is it there's the mutton chops

2290
01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:25,920
and and you know she says at the bottom

2291
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:27,280
of the page this is robert sketch of the

2292
01:31:30,950 --> 01:31:28,880
man he saw

2293
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:30,960
making the crop circle on december 28th

2294
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:33,120
so you've got to look at this picture it

2295
01:31:38,149 --> 01:31:35,199
is crazy so

2296
01:31:40,070 --> 01:31:38,159
and and all right so then robert goes on

2297
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:40,080
and he sees another guy

2298
01:31:45,669 --> 01:31:42,639
and this man was not too tall smooth

2299
01:31:48,629 --> 01:31:45,679
shaven and in his 40s or 50s

2300
01:31:51,189 --> 01:31:48,639
wearing a dark jacket with blue

2301
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:51,199
along the shoulders and upper back and

2302
01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:53,440
dark blue jeans and black shoes the kind

2303
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:55,120
of coat he's describing is like a

2304
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:57,600
western cut where they put different

2305
01:32:01,110 --> 01:31:59,360
colors on the shoulders in the back

2306
01:32:03,590 --> 01:32:01,120
right right right right

2307
01:32:05,030 --> 01:32:03,600
and this guy was also involved in making

2308
01:32:07,110 --> 01:32:05,040
the circle there were several people he

2309
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:07,120
saw lots of people in the field

2310
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:09,840
he saw also several younger guys one of

2311
01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:12,719
whom had a connection to poland but it

2312
01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:14,719
was this these of these other two

2313
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:16,320
particularly the guy that he drew the

2314
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:18,159
picture of and i had him do that because

2315
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:20,000
i wasn't quite sure what he was telling

2316
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:22,239
me you know right right

2317
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:24,560
and then he said oh

2318
01:32:27,990 --> 01:32:27,040
i'm not sure why they're doing it the

2319
01:32:30,229 --> 01:32:28,000
circle

2320
01:32:31,830 --> 01:32:30,239
but he felt that there was a practical

2321
01:32:33,669 --> 01:32:31,840
reason

2322
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:33,679
they weren't doing it necessarily to

2323
01:32:38,870 --> 01:32:35,760
jerk around crop circle enthusiasts

2324
01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:38,880
right there was a practical reason

2325
01:32:43,510 --> 01:32:41,760
okay about then i'm not written all this

2326
01:32:46,310 --> 01:32:43,520
down he's running out of gas at the

2327
01:32:48,870 --> 01:32:46,320
moment and we turn on we we end the

2328
01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:48,880
skype conversation and i decided i

2329
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:51,760
better very quickly write this all up so

2330
01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:54,000
i wrote up a preliminary report with

2331
01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:55,679
everything he told me including his

2332
01:32:59,830 --> 01:32:57,760
sketch and you know an aerial shot of

2333
01:33:03,590 --> 01:32:59,840
the circle and all that stuff

2334
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:03,600
and i managed to send one copy of that

2335
01:33:08,229 --> 01:33:05,520
out i had a whole list of people i was

2336
01:33:09,270 --> 01:33:08,239
going to and my computer died i remember

2337
01:33:10,950 --> 01:33:09,280
that

2338
01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:10,960
we were talking remember we were talking

2339
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:12,080
on the phone

2340
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:14,639
and we and we couldn't exchange emails

2341
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:15,840
because

2342
01:33:21,910 --> 01:33:20,229
so

2343
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:21,920
because of that

2344
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:24,960
robert could not get back to me

2345
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:28,320
apparently within the hour after

2346
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:30,239
ending the skype thing

2347
01:33:34,709 --> 01:33:32,320
uh he got the names

2348
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:34,719
rob and john

2349
01:33:38,390 --> 01:33:36,960
and i know that this is true because he

2350
01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:38,400
told stan

2351
01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:40,080
who is his best friend and somebody i

2352
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:41,440
know very well

2353
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:43,360
who was right there with him during this

2354
01:33:50,310 --> 01:33:45,920
he told stan because he couldn't tell me

2355
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:50,320
and he also got the words cannot say he

2356
01:33:55,830 --> 01:33:52,239
had no idea what they meant or why it

2357
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:55,840
was important but he thought that it was

2358
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:58,080
so i've made notes here but i couldn't

2359
01:34:01,350 --> 01:33:59,760
write this all up

2360
01:34:02,950 --> 01:34:01,360
for weeks because it took me a couple

2361
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:02,960
weeks to get a new computer and get it

2362
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:06,719
set up in the meantime what i did

2363
01:34:10,709 --> 01:34:07,760
was

2364
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:10,719
uh i got a phone number for cressetti

2365
01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:12,080
and i called

2366
01:34:16,390 --> 01:34:14,080
and sure enough uh

2367
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:16,400
a friend of mine had called and told me

2368
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:18,560
he had seen on one of the websites which

2369
01:34:22,390 --> 01:34:19,679
i hadn't because i didn't have a

2370
01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:22,400
computer that someone named gloria

2371
01:34:27,910 --> 01:34:25,440
cressetti had made some comments

2372
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:27,920
about one of her workers being

2373
01:34:31,669 --> 01:34:29,600
close to the circle

2374
01:34:33,750 --> 01:34:31,679
and this guy said he would send me the

2375
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:33,760
link as soon as i had a computer

2376
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:35,760
and so as soon as i did have a computer

2377
01:34:39,430 --> 01:34:36,960
he did

2378
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:39,440
and i looked it up and then i called

2379
01:34:45,109 --> 01:34:43,360
the number and talked to gloria herself

2380
01:34:46,950 --> 01:34:45,119
and what she said

2381
01:34:48,790 --> 01:34:46,960
was yes

2382
01:34:51,109 --> 01:34:48,800
she had one of their workers and it

2383
01:34:53,109 --> 01:34:51,119
turns out he was a mexican man who did

2384
01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:53,119
not speak a lot of english

2385
01:34:56,790 --> 01:34:55,360
was in fact working

2386
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:56,800
for them

2387
01:35:01,350 --> 01:34:58,960
on one of their tractors

2388
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:01,360
in the field opposite and he was

2389
01:35:05,109 --> 01:35:02,400
watching

2390
01:35:07,030 --> 01:35:05,119
he saw the guys on saturday

2391
01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:07,040
making the crop circle

2392
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:09,360
but he was not physically close enough

2393
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:12,400
to them to see their real their faces

2394
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:14,400
and he couldn't really tell what they

2395
01:35:16,870 --> 01:35:15,840
look like you know and he probably

2396
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:16,880
didn't know what the heck they were

2397
01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:18,239
doing either

2398
01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:20,159
probably not right probably didn't have

2399
01:35:24,790 --> 01:35:22,639
a famous idea now but

2400
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:24,800
in fact it turns out that cressetti

2401
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:27,600
custom land work was involved that one

2402
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:29,440
of their workers was on one of their

2403
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:31,920
tractors it was in a field across from

2404
01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:34,400
the barley field where the focuses were

2405
01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:36,880
and it was on saturday

2406
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:39,119
so all of that part of what robert had

2407
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:41,440
told me was absolutely correct it was

2408
01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:43,760
spot on which is how it always is with

2409
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:45,679
him by the way which is my question to

2410
01:35:50,950 --> 01:35:48,880
you nancy seriously um you

2411
01:35:53,270 --> 01:35:50,960
you if it would have been me

2412
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:53,280
in in your situation and this was brent

2413
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:55,520
i would be like this is this is crazy

2414
01:35:58,950 --> 01:35:57,280
this is insane but you

2415
01:36:00,390 --> 01:35:58,960
this happens to you all the time with

2416
01:36:01,189 --> 01:36:00,400
robert doesn't it

2417
01:36:04,229 --> 01:36:01,199
yeah

2418
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:04,239
so no no big surprise so many times it's

2419
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:07,040
not just this it's so much else that

2420
01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:09,280
once you know i've known robert now

2421
01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:10,960
we're we've been working together for

2422
01:36:16,470 --> 01:36:14,159
going it's 18 19 years now and i go over

2423
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:16,480
there and spend two or three weeks every

2424
01:36:20,470 --> 01:36:17,360
year

2425
01:36:23,510 --> 01:36:20,480
i stay in his home with his family

2426
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:23,520
i know i'm one of the family now

2427
01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:26,880
and i know where he is 24 7. when i'm

2428
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:29,679
there i know exactly he doesn't drive

2429
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:31,679
he only has a bike

2430
01:36:36,149 --> 01:36:34,639
i know exactly where he is and i know

2431
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:36,159
you know whether he could possibly have

2432
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:37,920
been out in the fields making the crop

2433
01:36:41,350 --> 01:36:40,080
circles around him or not right right

2434
01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:41,360
right with him

2435
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:42,320
now

2436
01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:46,880
everybody to understand and then i've

2437
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:49,520
got uh another like coup d'etat moment

2438
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:51,440
for nancy on this story

2439
01:36:57,910 --> 01:36:53,840
but i want everybody to understand that

2440
01:37:01,910 --> 01:36:57,920
before it was announced that nvidia was

2441
01:37:04,629 --> 01:37:01,920
the culprit and this was uh a publicity

2442
01:37:07,590 --> 01:37:04,639
stunt and it was man-made

2443
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:07,600
nancy knew it was it was about two days

2444
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:09,760
before actually nancy because

2445
01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:11,920
it was that night monday night i knew by

2446
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:14,159
then no no i'm saying it was two days

2447
01:37:18,070 --> 01:37:16,480
before nvidia made the announcement

2448
01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:18,080
because it was like five days yeah

2449
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:19,920
because you and i talked on the phone

2450
01:37:23,990 --> 01:37:22,000
and we were still trying to figure it

2451
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:24,000
out you had told me about your evidence

2452
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:27,600
but you didn't want to go public with me

2453
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:30,400
until you had your bases covered

2454
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:33,199
and so let's that that's the finishing

2455
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:34,400
part of the story this is your coup

2456
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:36,400
d'etat moment so okay so

2457
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:38,080
now you have to

2458
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:41,520
document time stamp everything and and

2459
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:43,440
you need your proof of course not for

2460
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:45,440
yourself but for the world how did you

2461
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:48,960
go about that what happened next well as

2462
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:51,760
i say i did call gloria

2463
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:54,880
and she confirmed all that early stuff

2464
01:38:01,830 --> 01:37:57,760
then i set about trying to find

2465
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:01,840
uh anybody who had witnessed close up

2466
01:38:06,390 --> 01:38:03,679
because it turns out there are multiple

2467
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:06,400
people in california who driving by the

2468
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:09,280
field had seen men out in the field for

2469
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:11,840
days prior to the announcement of the

2470
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:14,400
circle you see exactly and i was hoping

2471
01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:16,639
that i could find one of them

2472
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:19,119
who might be able to tell me

2473
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:21,440
that they had seen somebody who looks

2474
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:24,080
like this picture that robert drew

2475
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:26,800
and i have been unable to find anybody i

2476
01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:28,400
mean i don't know all those people that

2477
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:29,760
stopped by

2478
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:31,840
and maybe among your listeners there

2479
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:33,360
will be someone

2480
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:35,840
who in fact did stop and did see and

2481
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:38,400
maybe can identify this guy

2482
01:38:43,750 --> 01:38:41,040
i don't know who it is but i know that

2483
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:43,760
when robert is as specific as he was in

2484
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:46,080
this case i've never known him to be

2485
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:47,199
wrong

2486
01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:49,840
so my guess is there was a guy that

2487
01:38:53,109 --> 01:38:51,840
looked something probably pretty close

2488
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:53,119
to like this

2489
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:55,280
who was involved he was one of the

2490
01:39:00,629 --> 01:38:57,679
people not not the only person but one

2491
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:00,639
of the people making this crop circle

2492
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:02,400
and i bet you're the other guy with the

2493
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:04,000
blue the you know the jacket with the

2494
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:06,000
blue on it right and the young guy with

2495
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:07,679
the polish connection

2496
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:10,080
i'll bet you i bet you every cent i've

2497
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,239
got that he's absolutely right about

2498
01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:14,560
that but i can't prove that part because

2499
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,600
i wasn't there and i don't i've not been

2500
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:19,679
able to find anyone

2501
01:39:22,070 --> 01:39:20,560
who

2502
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:22,080
they had guards you know keeping

2503
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:24,000
everybody out

2504
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:26,000
right so i don't know anybody who

2505
01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:29,040
actually saw the crop circle makers

2506
01:39:33,910 --> 01:39:31,600
who could tell me what i do know and

2507
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:33,920
this is again from george wingfield

2508
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:37,679
was that both rob and john these two

2509
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:39,840
names that robert he called me on the

2510
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:42,719
phone on the next morning to tell me

2511
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:44,639
that those names the ones he couldn't

2512
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:46,480
skype me about because my computer was

2513
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:48,800
down he called and told me that stuff on

2514
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:51,199
tuesday morning on the telephone

2515
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:55,040
and both a rob and a john who are part

2516
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:57,600
apparently of one of this these english

2517
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:59,199
circle-making groups

2518
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:00,719
were involved

2519
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:03,600
so apparently those names were correct

2520
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:07,199
and the cannot say i then found uh

2521
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:08,480
subsequently

2522
01:40:13,109 --> 01:40:11,119
was part of that idiotic

2523
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:13,119
there was a youtube clip that people had

2524
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:15,520
put up i guess these same people

2525
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:17,840
two guys supposedly driving at night

2526
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:19,199
sunday night

2527
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:20,560
along this

2528
01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:22,639
road next to the field right and they

2529
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:25,280
supposedly see green flashes off in the

2530
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:27,440
it looked like green laser lights to me

2531
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:29,199
off in the corner of the field and they

2532
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:31,360
stopped their car and they get off and

2533
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:33,840
they hushed voices they go over a barbed

2534
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:35,920
wire fence and you know they're they

2535
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:37,679
sound like they're scared and yet they

2536
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:40,159
go marching right into this field

2537
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:42,000
and then there's some conversation about

2538
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:44,639
dude dude this crop circle it was so

2539
01:40:48,629 --> 01:40:47,440
theatrical that i personally it didn't

2540
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:48,639
fool me

2541
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:49,440
but

2542
01:40:54,310 --> 01:40:51,679
it was part of this whole thing and the

2543
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:54,320
guy who posted that video

2544
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,000
signed himself

2545
01:41:06,709 --> 01:40:58,960
cannot say

2546
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:09,189
with robert i don't know how you

2547
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,880
you know i don't know how you deal with

2548
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:12,719
it because you've got him in your back

2549
01:41:17,109 --> 01:41:15,280
pocket so to speak he's on your team and

2550
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:17,119
you you've um

2551
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:19,679
uh experienced so long yeah you've known

2552
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:21,920
him for so long this is just this is

2553
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:24,239
just what you come to expect

2554
01:41:32,229 --> 01:41:28,000
but it is extraordinary to say the least

2555
01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:32,239
of his abilities and what he can do and

2556
01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:34,480
and uh you know what let's take a break

2557
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:37,040
i want to come back uh let's just take

2558
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:38,960
about the one other case that we've got

2559
01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:41,440
listed on the site he did exactly the

2560
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:44,960
same thing in 2011. yes well hold on

2561
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:46,639
we're going to come back to that well

2562
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:49,040
and i also want to talk about the 2012

2563
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:52,000
dutch crop circle season 2 as well

2564
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:54,719
um and that was my surprise nancy see i

2565
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:56,400
just wanted to i wanted to blindside you

2566
01:42:01,910 --> 01:41:58,800
with something but so that's it i wanted

2567
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:01,920
to do the 2012 season too as well

2568
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:04,400
so let's just um um

2569
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:06,400
uh with robert

2570
01:42:12,629 --> 01:42:08,560
uh before we take the break how did you

2571
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:12,639
meet him originally 18 years ago

2572
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:15,600
his father is a banker and was head of

2573
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:18,560
robobank which is the largest bank in

2574
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:20,560
uh the netherlands

2575
01:42:26,070 --> 01:42:23,199
it is an upper middle class family not

2576
01:42:27,590 --> 01:42:26,080
interested in any foolishness

2577
01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:27,600
robert has been

2578
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:29,920
was born like this

2579
01:42:36,870 --> 01:42:34,080
and has been of a considerable

2580
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:36,880
uh problem for the family to deal with

2581
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:38,560
for a long time

2582
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:41,280
but in when he was 17 i had heard about

2583
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:43,040
him from one of my field workers in the

2584
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:44,960
netherlands because he was one of the

2585
01:42:49,669 --> 01:42:46,719
first people to report

2586
01:42:51,109 --> 01:42:49,679
seeing light bulbs make a crop circle

2587
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:51,119
and i didn't pay any attention to it

2588
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:53,119
back then because i just thought yeah

2589
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:54,400
sure thing

2590
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:58,080
well then the next year a big light bulb

2591
01:43:01,350 --> 01:42:59,040
came

2592
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:01,360
his house his parents house is in a

2593
01:43:05,109 --> 01:43:03,360
little subdivision and there's a farm

2594
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:05,119
field right behind it

2595
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:06,960
and robert's room is at the back of the

2596
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:09,520
house with floor-to-ceiling glass doors

2597
01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:11,119
that open out onto a little teeny

2598
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:14,320
balcony overlooking this field

2599
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:16,480
he and his sister were in the room one

2600
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:18,239
night listening to music

2601
01:43:22,229 --> 01:43:21,119
and suddenly this huge and i mean big it

2602
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:22,239
had to be

2603
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:25,920
14 16 feet in diameter glowing ball of

2604
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:27,440
light appeared

2605
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:29,760
immediately in front of those windows

2606
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:31,520
over the balcony

2607
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:33,920
uh rotating scared the dickens out of

2608
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:35,760
the kids they went running downstairs

2609
01:43:39,910 --> 01:43:37,760
got the parents came back up

2610
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:39,920
the ball of light was gone but there

2611
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:43,280
were burn marks on the eaves overhanging

2612
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:44,159
the

2613
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:52,800
was a pile of white powder sitting on

2614
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:54,639
the balcony floor

2615
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:55,920
the father

2616
01:44:02,629 --> 01:43:59,280
wanted the white powder analyzed and our

2617
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:02,639
field worker asked me if our scientists

2618
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:04,239
could do it

2619
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:07,360
i agreed and that's how we met

2620
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:11,040
and uh what was the white powder

2621
01:44:15,990 --> 01:44:13,600
well that and many many other instances

2622
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:16,000
of it proves and we've done everything

2623
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:18,960
icp ms isotopic ratios

2624
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:21,520
the infrared spectroscopy

2625
01:44:26,109 --> 01:44:23,520
and even x-ray diffraction with a guy at

2626
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:26,119
the usgs it is

2627
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:27,679
99.99

2628
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:28,800
pure

2629
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:31,280
hydro magnesite

2630
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:34,400
in a chemical formulation that humans

2631
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:37,119
use not as pure as this but in this

2632
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:39,440
chemical formulation it's something we

2633
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:42,080
use in fire extinguishers

2634
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:44,080
wow

2635
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:45,280
it's

2636
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:47,199
you know how does okay

2637
01:44:51,109 --> 01:44:49,199
before i just go okay

2638
01:44:52,629 --> 01:44:51,119
how did that show up there we're gonna

2639
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:52,639
get back to that in a second i have a

2640
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:54,880
couple of quick uh emails uh some

2641
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:56,400
questions that

2642
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:58,000
i want to get to really quick before

2643
01:45:01,270 --> 01:45:00,239
this uh we take this quick break very

2644
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:01,280
simple

2645
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:04,239
this comes from renee in tucson arizona

2646
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:07,119
and she says please ask nancy

2647
01:45:13,990 --> 01:45:09,600
how has the work of colin andrews

2648
01:45:16,149 --> 01:45:14,000
affected your research or vice versa

2649
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:16,159
it really has nothing really to do with

2650
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:17,520
it i'm afraid

2651
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:19,840
i mean we're entirely

2652
01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:22,080
we're doing science and we're just do it

2653
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:24,480
independently on our own

2654
01:45:28,550 --> 01:45:27,119
do you guys communicate you and colin

2655
01:45:30,709 --> 01:45:28,560
no

2656
01:45:33,189 --> 01:45:30,719
have you communicated

2657
01:45:35,830 --> 01:45:33,199
not for many years okay

2658
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:35,840
all right because this is kind of uh uh

2659
01:45:40,950 --> 01:45:38,719
i i have the it's almost the same well

2660
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:40,960
just let me read it this comes from dave

2661
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:42,960
it says i have been fascinated by crop

2662
01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:45,280
circles since the days when and uh when

2663
01:45:48,629 --> 01:45:47,440
colin andrews and michael glickman were

2664
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:48,639
on art bell

2665
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:51,920
i'm curious about the pie circle has it

2666
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:54,480
been found to be a hoax and does nancy

2667
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:55,840
know

2668
01:45:59,350 --> 01:45:58,080
he's talking about the one at a very i i

2669
01:46:00,629 --> 01:45:59,360
have to be very a little bit more

2670
01:46:02,870 --> 01:46:00,639
specific

2671
01:46:05,189 --> 01:46:02,880
i'm not sure which one he means okay

2672
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:05,199
it's pie spelled like the mathematics

2673
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:07,280
symbol pious but there have been several

2674
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:09,760
circles with that symbol so i have to

2675
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:12,480
know what year and where okay dave uh

2676
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:13,760
shoot us an email we've got a little

2677
01:46:18,149 --> 01:46:15,840
more time and i know you're listening so

2678
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:18,159
a little more specific for nancy

2679
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:20,239
and with that nancy let's take a quick

2680
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:21,920
break and we're gonna come back and i'm

2681
01:46:27,350 --> 01:46:24,960
serious i'm so i've been looking forward

2682
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:27,360
to the robert vandenbrook section of

2683
01:46:32,709 --> 01:46:30,719
this show and wait till uh everybody out

2684
01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:32,719
there hears what nasty has to say about

2685
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:35,199
this gentleman absolutely fascinating

2686
01:46:39,590 --> 01:46:37,040
fascinating we'll be back after this

2687
01:46:41,109 --> 01:46:39,600
everybody stay with us this is

2688
01:46:43,149 --> 01:46:41,119
fade to black on the dark matter radio

2689
01:46:45,030 --> 01:46:43,159
network shoot us an email to jimmy

2690
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:45,040
chimmychurchradio.com we are live with

2691
01:46:49,189 --> 01:46:46,880
nancy talbot

2692
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:49,199
from cambridge massachusetts we'll be

2693
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:50,400
back right after this stay with us

2694
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:03,669
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2695
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:06,320
on the dark matter radio network

2696
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:14,149
you're listening to fade to black on the

2697
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:30,709
you're listening to jimmy church this is

2698
01:47:38,070 --> 01:47:33,679
revolution the revolution will not be

2699
01:48:06,950 --> 01:47:38,080
televised the revolution is on radio

2700
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:21,270
foreign

2701
01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:23,109
all right everybody welcome back

2702
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:24,880
fade to black

2703
01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:26,960
i'm your host jimmy church we have with

2704
01:48:31,109 --> 01:48:29,360
us nancy talbot from cambridge

2705
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:31,119
massachusetts

2706
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:34,639
blt research we're talking crop circles

2707
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:36,239
right now we're going to talk about

2708
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:39,760
robert van der berk and uh now before we

2709
01:48:45,229 --> 01:48:42,400
get uh into this nancy

2710
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:45,239
um oh by the way uh shoot us an email to

2711
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:46,560
jimmychimmychurchradio.com if you have

2712
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:48,560
any questions for nancy we'll uh

2713
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:50,480
certainly get those on the air

2714
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:53,440
and also following twitter at j church

2715
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:55,760
radio okay now

2716
01:48:58,149 --> 01:48:56,880
uh

2717
01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:58,159
you were just telling us how you met

2718
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:00,560
robert but one of the things

2719
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:04,560
oh um everybody just go to the home page

2720
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:06,239
at jimmychurchradio.com

2721
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:09,040
on the home tab at the top

2722
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:11,280
uh scroll over the home tab you'll get a

2723
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:13,199
new link that we had to put up it's an

2724
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:15,920
emergency tonight we nancy got her own

2725
01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:18,000
page tonight that it says nancy talbot

2726
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:20,159
there and you can click on that

2727
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:23,040
and that's going to open up a whole set

2728
01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:25,840
of second pictures and most of these

2729
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:27,199
galleries

2730
01:49:31,189 --> 01:49:30,239
uh involve robert directly

2731
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:31,199
so

2732
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:34,080
now nancy we had said earlier

2733
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:37,199
uh uh one thing that would be wise jimmy

2734
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:40,400
because robert's case is so peculiar

2735
01:49:44,070 --> 01:49:41,679
uh

2736
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:44,080
the the science work and we've done a

2737
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:46,080
lot of science with robert and if we

2738
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:47,760
went down to the bottom to the white

2739
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:50,800
powder thing there i saw it yes very

2740
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:53,840
briefly go through that to help show

2741
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:56,560
that there's a lot of science supporting

2742
01:50:01,189 --> 01:49:58,880
this incredibly bizarre situation in

2743
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:01,199
holland well and and you had said well

2744
01:50:05,430 --> 01:50:03,520
this uh and and okay let me get my

2745
01:50:07,830 --> 01:50:05,440
thought out really quick um

2746
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:07,840
you wanted to talk about 2011. i wanted

2747
01:50:13,109 --> 01:50:10,639
to talk about 2012. so the reason why i

2748
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:13,119
put pulled up these galleries first if

2749
01:50:18,149 --> 01:50:15,679
if you want to run with 2011 we have

2750
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:18,159
that but then i've got briefly that

2751
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:20,719
white stuff down at the bottom because

2752
01:50:24,390 --> 01:50:22,239
it helps show

2753
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:24,400
that the evidence that we find

2754
01:50:29,109 --> 01:50:26,159
in you know in various situations we're

2755
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:29,119
applying exactly the same approach right

2756
01:50:33,270 --> 01:50:30,960
every bit of physical evidence that we

2757
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:33,280
get in robert's case because now you

2758
01:50:37,189 --> 01:50:35,360
have a situation with robert you know

2759
01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:37,199
you have all of your scientific re i'm

2760
01:50:41,270 --> 01:50:39,040
speaking for you right now but you have

2761
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:41,280
all of your scientific research in your

2762
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:42,800
and your team

2763
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:44,800
your laboratory and all of the work that

2764
01:50:48,149 --> 01:50:46,560
is going on directly with the crop

2765
01:50:49,589 --> 01:50:48,159
circles but now you've got a situation

2766
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:49,599
here with robert

2767
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:51,440
where now you're getting into some

2768
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:54,400
fringe areas where you've i don't know

2769
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:56,800
how you separate your black and white

2770
01:51:02,070 --> 01:50:57,760
mind

2771
01:51:04,149 --> 01:51:02,080
you know that's what you've got to deal

2772
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:04,159
with with roberts because i'm a pisces

2773
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:06,560
my dear

2774
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:08,560
so that's how you deal with it

2775
01:51:12,149 --> 01:51:09,440
okay

2776
01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:12,159
all right so now uh i'm looking at uh

2777
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:14,000
the this is the white powder that was

2778
01:51:18,229 --> 01:51:16,080
found on the back patio at the bottom of

2779
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:18,239
one of these pages right you see the

2780
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:20,400
tube of light from the crop circle i saw

2781
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:21,920
and then there are two pictures one of

2782
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:23,280
robert and me

2783
01:51:26,629 --> 01:51:25,040
not too long ago in the field the next

2784
01:51:29,109 --> 01:51:26,639
one is when i first met him you can see

2785
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:29,119
how young he was right right and beneath

2786
01:51:33,589 --> 01:51:31,360
that is the white pattern and the first

2787
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:33,599
picture in the second row

2788
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:35,840
is the white powder on his balcony right

2789
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:37,840
how i pet him right right

2790
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:40,400
now next picture is the same kind of

2791
01:51:43,830 --> 01:51:42,239
white powder but this time in a crop

2792
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:43,840
circle

2793
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,159
and the picture next to that shows you

2794
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:48,560
just the amount of white powder

2795
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:50,719
recovered in one year

2796
01:51:56,550 --> 01:51:54,080
from various circles around him

2797
01:51:57,669 --> 01:51:56,560
so you can see how much

2798
01:52:03,030 --> 01:51:57,679
where is

2799
01:52:05,109 --> 01:52:03,040
nancy how the hell do i know

2800
01:52:08,390 --> 01:52:05,119
you're asking stuff i don't know and

2801
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:08,400
it's pure pure it's more pure almost 100

2802
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:11,360
it's a laboratory grade it cannot it has

2803
01:52:16,629 --> 01:52:13,440
to be laboratory grade it's produced

2804
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:16,639
it's it's manufactured somewhere somehow

2805
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:18,639
you can't go and buy

2806
01:52:23,669 --> 01:52:21,040
this purity level and that's what i

2807
01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:23,679
wanted to point out with this last row

2808
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:27,199
of pictures the rose the burned rose

2809
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:29,520
and the moth with the white powder this

2810
01:52:35,350 --> 01:52:32,960
is now an incident inside his home

2811
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:35,360
and the burning that you see on that

2812
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:36,320
panel

2813
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:38,639
that's burn marks on the window directly

2814
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,040
behind the burned rose

2815
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:43,520
and again this is where all this work

2816
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:46,000
was done and it is the same stuff that

2817
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:48,159
we've been talking about all along

2818
01:52:52,470 --> 01:52:50,480
but the point is

2819
01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:52,480
that robert if

2820
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:54,000
if he wanted to

2821
01:52:59,830 --> 01:52:56,480
could not go i went to

2822
01:53:02,550 --> 01:52:59,840
a a company alpha azar that produces

2823
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:02,560
chemical substances for sale but you

2824
01:53:08,149 --> 01:53:05,840
have to have a license right to buy this

2825
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:08,159
stuff i couldn't buy it i had to get one

2826
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:10,239
of our scientists to buy the control

2827
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:11,280
sample

2828
01:53:17,669 --> 01:53:13,599
and then we ran the control

2829
01:53:19,589 --> 01:53:17,679
against the powder on this this moth

2830
01:53:22,109 --> 01:53:19,599
and the rose and some of the others and

2831
01:53:27,830 --> 01:53:22,119
it's exactly the same stuff

2832
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:27,840
99.99 pure hydro magnesite well so

2833
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:30,080
robert isn't making this up

2834
01:53:34,950 --> 01:53:32,719
well did you do what i would have done

2835
01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:34,960
which is did you kind of walk around his

2836
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:36,560
house and maybe look out of the corner

2837
01:53:41,030 --> 01:53:38,960
of your eye as you're walking around and

2838
01:53:42,709 --> 01:53:41,040
maybe try to see if he's got any stashed

2839
01:53:44,629 --> 01:53:42,719
in the house did you you know what i

2840
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:44,639
mean were you ever a little skeptical at

2841
01:53:49,910 --> 01:53:47,520
first there for almost 18 years

2842
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:49,920
i know every inch of that house

2843
01:53:55,030 --> 01:53:52,320
his parents and i were all you know i'm

2844
01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:55,040
part of the family uh nothing is hidden

2845
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:57,040
i know stuff that is much too personal

2846
01:54:00,629 --> 01:53:58,960
to ever speak about well sure sure sure

2847
01:54:02,790 --> 01:54:00,639
but you understand what i'm saying i you

2848
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:02,800
know i love my brother i love my

2849
01:54:06,629 --> 01:54:04,960
brothers too but i'm still suspicious if

2850
01:54:08,709 --> 01:54:06,639
they're you know something like this

2851
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:08,719
happens i'm going to check out the house

2852
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:11,520
just to make sure i'm not crazy you know

2853
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:12,320
so

2854
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:14,400
by the time the white powders thing

2855
01:54:18,550 --> 01:54:16,560
started it with

2856
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:18,560
the way it started the weird things that

2857
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:20,560
started was when i went to

2858
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:23,440
i was on a tour a lecture tour in europe

2859
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:26,400
and i had a talk in amsterdam in 98

2860
01:54:31,270 --> 01:54:28,800
and the family came to thank me for the

2861
01:54:32,149 --> 01:54:31,280
work that our scientists had done

2862
01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:32,159
and

2863
01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:33,760
the father

2864
01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:35,440
he did something very unusual and i did

2865
01:54:39,669 --> 01:54:37,440
something very unusual i had a couple

2866
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:39,679
nights before my next lecture and he

2867
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:41,599
asked me if i would come

2868
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:43,440
to their house

2869
01:54:47,910 --> 01:54:45,360
so they could tell me more because there

2870
01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:47,920
were so many things going on the man was

2871
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:50,159
just dying he was you know he had no

2872
01:54:55,669 --> 01:54:53,119
idea was going on and i would never do

2873
01:54:57,589 --> 01:54:55,679
this normally but i agree his wife is is

2874
01:54:58,550 --> 01:54:57,599
a lovely person robert's mother is

2875
01:55:00,550 --> 01:54:58,560
lovely

2876
01:55:02,310 --> 01:55:00,560
and so i went

2877
01:55:05,430 --> 01:55:02,320
and what happened to me

2878
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:05,440
that first night in their house

2879
01:55:08,390 --> 01:55:07,360
i mean believe me if it had happened to

2880
01:55:15,910 --> 01:55:08,400
you

2881
01:55:17,189 --> 01:55:15,920
i'm sitting there i have this it was

2882
01:55:18,790 --> 01:55:17,199
actually the second night the first

2883
01:55:21,350 --> 01:55:18,800
night i was so darn tired i just went to

2884
01:55:23,830 --> 01:55:21,360
sleep second night i was there

2885
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:23,840
i had this feeling this intuition i

2886
01:55:27,109 --> 01:55:25,840
guess you'd call it of not going to bed

2887
01:55:29,669 --> 01:55:27,119
don't go to bed

2888
01:55:31,510 --> 01:55:29,679
now i'm a night person so i just assumed

2889
01:55:33,830 --> 01:55:31,520
it was just that you know just me being

2890
01:55:37,430 --> 01:55:33,840
a night person but i knew not to go to

2891
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:37,440
bed the parents who are very elegant and

2892
01:55:42,629 --> 01:55:40,239
perfect hosts would not go to bed either

2893
01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:42,639
because i was still up right so the

2894
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:44,239
three of us are sitting down in this

2895
01:55:47,109 --> 01:55:45,360
living room

2896
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:47,119
and this is also at the back of the

2897
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:48,000
house

2898
01:55:51,189 --> 01:55:49,280
looking out with these big

2899
01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:51,199
floor-to-ceiling glass doors onto a

2900
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:52,239
patio

2901
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:54,480
that is part of their little backyard

2902
01:55:58,470 --> 01:55:56,639
before you get to the farm field

2903
01:56:01,030 --> 01:55:58,480
and it's got trees and grasses and

2904
01:56:03,030 --> 01:56:01,040
flowers and whatever in it and i had my

2905
01:56:04,870 --> 01:56:03,040
back to the window the parents were both

2906
01:56:07,270 --> 01:56:04,880
facing the window

2907
01:56:09,189 --> 01:56:07,280
and suddenly the father jumped up and he

2908
01:56:11,589 --> 01:56:09,199
said there there

2909
01:56:14,229 --> 01:56:11,599
and i hadn't seen it but there'd been a

2910
01:56:16,470 --> 01:56:14,239
flash of light in the garden and he had

2911
01:56:18,709 --> 01:56:16,480
just been telling me about these weird

2912
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:18,719
things that go on the flashes of light

2913
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:22,000
being one of them right so i said okay i

2914
01:56:25,350 --> 01:56:23,360
didn't see anything i turned my chair

2915
01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:25,360
around we turned off all the lights

2916
01:56:30,790 --> 01:56:28,480
downstairs and we just sat there quietly

2917
01:56:33,189 --> 01:56:30,800
to see if anything else would happen

2918
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:33,199
and what happened was perhaps

2919
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:35,599
at the time the most amazing thing i'd

2920
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:37,040
ever experienced

2921
01:56:42,870 --> 01:56:40,000
after a little while dead silence

2922
01:56:44,629 --> 01:56:42,880
a tingling started in my body and it was

2923
01:56:46,390 --> 01:56:44,639
at my waist level

2924
01:56:49,430 --> 01:56:46,400
i've been all around my body front and

2925
01:56:51,990 --> 01:56:49,440
back and my arms and it slowly slowly

2926
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:52,000
slowly was rising toward my neck

2927
01:56:55,270 --> 01:56:54,239
and it was becoming more intense as it

2928
01:56:56,870 --> 01:56:55,280
rose

2929
01:56:58,629 --> 01:56:56,880
and it got into

2930
01:57:00,390 --> 01:56:58,639
just below my chin

2931
01:57:02,629 --> 01:57:00,400
and i suddenly thought to myself the

2932
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:02,639
hell was science i'm getting out of here

2933
01:57:07,430 --> 01:57:05,520
it was it scared me right and i started

2934
01:57:10,709 --> 01:57:07,440
to get up out of the chair literally to

2935
01:57:13,750 --> 01:57:10,719
leave the room and bam the

2936
01:57:16,070 --> 01:57:13,760
tingling stopped completely

2937
01:57:17,109 --> 01:57:16,080
and this light show then started in the

2938
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:17,119
garden

2939
01:57:20,629 --> 01:57:18,880
like nothing i've ever seen in my life

2940
01:57:21,910 --> 01:57:20,639
it was like watching the fourth of july

2941
01:57:24,470 --> 01:57:21,920
and then some

2942
01:57:27,910 --> 01:57:24,480
there were huge balls of light little

2943
01:57:29,830 --> 01:57:27,920
balls of light flashes of light blobs of

2944
01:57:31,109 --> 01:57:29,840
light coming down and bouncing along the

2945
01:57:32,070 --> 01:57:31,119
patio

2946
01:57:33,669 --> 01:57:32,080
bricks

2947
01:57:35,830 --> 01:57:33,679
all at once

2948
01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:35,840
i mean it literally was like a three

2949
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:37,360
ring circus i didn't know where to look

2950
01:57:41,830 --> 01:57:39,840
first okay now you're rational i want

2951
01:57:43,189 --> 01:57:41,840
you to be rational with me because i'm

2952
01:57:44,629 --> 01:57:43,199
trying to be rational right now i'm

2953
01:57:47,830 --> 01:57:44,639
trying to understand

2954
01:57:49,990 --> 01:57:47,840
it helps okay yes what was it that you

2955
01:57:51,910 --> 01:57:50,000
were saying i don't know what it was

2956
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:51,920
let me finish telling you the story well

2957
01:57:56,149 --> 01:57:54,000
your rational mind must have been trying

2958
01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:56,159
to make sense out of it of course it was

2959
01:58:00,629 --> 01:57:58,080
but you don't jump to a conclusion when

2960
01:58:01,990 --> 01:58:00,639
you have no i had no data at the time i

2961
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:02,000
mean the first time anything like this

2962
01:58:04,229 --> 01:58:03,520
has ever happened to me

2963
01:58:06,229 --> 01:58:04,239
so

2964
01:58:08,709 --> 01:58:06,239
the the light show went on for i'm

2965
01:58:09,910 --> 01:58:08,719
guessing 10 to 15 seconds nobody said a

2966
01:58:15,109 --> 01:58:09,920
word

2967
01:58:15,910 --> 01:58:15,119
and i'm thinking to myself what in the

2968
01:58:17,589 --> 01:58:15,920
heck

2969
01:58:21,189 --> 01:58:17,599
you know what the hell was that i had no

2970
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:21,199
idea right for too long i don't know a

2971
01:58:26,709 --> 01:58:24,320
minute or two the tingling starts again

2972
01:58:28,310 --> 01:58:26,719
and it starts to rise up my body exactly

2973
01:58:30,229 --> 01:58:28,320
as it had before

2974
01:58:32,070 --> 01:58:30,239
and it gets to my neck again and it's

2975
01:58:34,070 --> 01:58:32,080
getting pretty intense

2976
01:58:36,709 --> 01:58:34,080
and again i say okay the hell of this

2977
01:58:39,510 --> 01:58:36,719
i'm getting out of here and before i can

2978
01:58:41,750 --> 01:58:39,520
get up the tingling stops and the light

2979
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:41,760
show happens again

2980
01:58:46,790 --> 01:58:45,040
this repeated itself at least five times

2981
01:58:49,189 --> 01:58:46,800
i'm not sure we none of us are sure

2982
01:58:51,910 --> 01:58:49,199
whether it was five or six or seven

2983
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:51,920
times the entire time period that

2984
01:58:57,030 --> 01:58:54,800
elapsed was about 11 minutes

2985
01:58:59,270 --> 01:58:57,040
none of us spoke a word during it the

2986
01:59:00,390 --> 01:58:59,280
father was terrified he was really

2987
01:59:02,950 --> 01:59:00,400
scared

2988
01:59:05,350 --> 01:59:02,960
and by the time the fourth or fifth

2989
01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:05,360
thing it was happening i was realizing

2990
01:59:08,870 --> 01:59:06,480
now it wasn't going to hurt me

2991
01:59:11,430 --> 01:59:08,880
apparently so i'd gotten out of my chair

2992
01:59:13,430 --> 01:59:11,440
and i was standing right against the

2993
01:59:15,430 --> 01:59:13,440
window this glass

2994
01:59:17,669 --> 01:59:15,440
looking up trying to see what the heck

2995
01:59:19,750 --> 01:59:17,679
this was all coming from right i was a

2996
01:59:21,910 --> 01:59:19,760
little too i didn't have the guts to go

2997
01:59:23,510 --> 01:59:21,920
outside i thought about it and i just

2998
01:59:25,510 --> 01:59:23,520
didn't have the guts

2999
01:59:27,910 --> 01:59:25,520
but i'm standing there as close as i can

3000
01:59:30,870 --> 01:59:27,920
get to the to these doors these glass

3001
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:30,880
doors and i can't see anything up above

3002
01:59:36,310 --> 01:59:34,320
and this stuff is dropping down in blobs

3003
01:59:37,990 --> 01:59:36,320
right in front of my eyes literally

3004
01:59:41,430 --> 01:59:38,000
inches away from the outside of the

3005
01:59:44,950 --> 01:59:41,440
glass and then bouncing along the

3006
01:59:46,950 --> 01:59:44,960
brick pathway before it just disappears

3007
01:59:49,910 --> 01:59:46,960
the balls of light are popping in and

3008
01:59:51,669 --> 01:59:49,920
popping out the flashes are going i mean

3009
01:59:55,270 --> 01:59:51,679
it was amazing

3010
01:59:57,589 --> 01:59:55,280
so finally the last event of it happened

3011
01:59:59,750 --> 01:59:57,599
and i don't know why i said this i

3012
02:00:02,149 --> 01:59:59,760
turned around to the parents and i

3013
02:00:04,070 --> 02:00:02,159
announced like i was god

3014
02:00:06,390 --> 02:00:04,080
that's it it's over

3015
02:00:08,310 --> 02:00:06,400
i have no idea why i said that

3016
02:00:11,350 --> 02:00:08,320
but it was over

3017
02:00:12,790 --> 02:00:11,360
so i immediately separated the parents

3018
02:00:15,430 --> 02:00:12,800
because i'm going to do the good old

3019
02:00:17,270 --> 02:00:15,440
mutual ufo thingy you know right you get

3020
02:00:18,550 --> 02:00:17,280
one parent in the kitchen and close the

3021
02:00:20,870 --> 02:00:18,560
door keep the other one in the living

3022
02:00:22,550 --> 02:00:20,880
room right because i want to find out if

3023
02:00:24,310 --> 02:00:22,560
they experienced

3024
02:00:26,390 --> 02:00:24,320
the same thing i did that was my

3025
02:00:29,109 --> 02:00:26,400
question yeah was everybody seen the

3026
02:00:31,270 --> 02:00:29,119
exact same thing but you said something

3027
02:00:33,669 --> 02:00:31,280
that experienced physically

3028
02:00:35,589 --> 02:00:33,679
the same tingling nancy so the entire

3029
02:00:38,229 --> 02:00:35,599
experience was the same for all three of

3030
02:00:40,629 --> 02:00:38,239
us but nancy i i have to before we get

3031
02:00:43,109 --> 02:00:40,639
too far away from this um

3032
02:00:45,109 --> 02:00:43,119
did you said something earlier that kind

3033
02:00:48,550 --> 02:00:45,119
of surprised me you said that the father

3034
02:00:51,510 --> 02:00:48,560
was terrified so was this the first time

3035
02:00:53,669 --> 02:00:51,520
that they experienced this as well was

3036
02:00:55,270 --> 02:00:53,679
this the first time for everybody

3037
02:00:57,669 --> 02:00:55,280
the first time this had ever happened

3038
02:01:00,070 --> 02:00:57,679
this seriously and they said

3039
02:01:02,550 --> 02:01:00,080
after it that was for you

3040
02:01:05,030 --> 02:01:02,560
that is because you are here and i

3041
02:01:08,229 --> 02:01:05,040
didn't believe it i said no

3042
02:01:10,629 --> 02:01:08,239
it was very location specific

3043
02:01:11,589 --> 02:01:10,639
it was contained within a very precise

3044
02:01:13,030 --> 02:01:11,599
area

3045
02:01:14,870 --> 02:01:13,040
because i've been looking at that while

3046
02:01:18,390 --> 02:01:14,880
i was watching it right i would say

3047
02:01:19,910 --> 02:01:18,400
about 14 foot wide by perhaps 12 or 14

3048
02:01:21,430 --> 02:01:19,920
feet deep

3049
02:01:24,229 --> 02:01:21,440
everything that was going on out there

3050
02:01:25,510 --> 02:01:24,239
was going on within that space right and

3051
02:01:27,430 --> 02:01:25,520
so for me

3052
02:01:30,470 --> 02:01:27,440
at the time the way i would deal with

3053
02:01:31,910 --> 02:01:30,480
that was it was location specific it

3054
02:01:33,589 --> 02:01:31,920
never occurred to me that it had

3055
02:01:35,510 --> 02:01:33,599
happened because i was there right

3056
02:01:38,070 --> 02:01:35,520
that's what parents said was it like

3057
02:01:39,750 --> 02:01:38,080
fireworks in a cube is that what you

3058
02:01:43,750 --> 02:01:39,760
know i'm trying to imagine is that what

3059
02:01:46,550 --> 02:01:43,760
was going on great big diaphanous bluish

3060
02:01:49,910 --> 02:01:46,560
translucent light balls just hanging

3061
02:01:51,510 --> 02:01:49,920
imagine little dense white very dense

3062
02:01:53,910 --> 02:01:51,520
light balls

3063
02:01:55,750 --> 02:01:53,920
popping in here and there flashes of

3064
02:01:56,950 --> 02:01:55,760
light like flash bulbs going off

3065
02:01:59,189 --> 02:01:56,960
everywhere

3066
02:02:03,430 --> 02:01:59,199
and then in the middle of all this these

3067
02:02:05,990 --> 02:02:03,440
blobs irregularly shaped blobs of dense

3068
02:02:08,229 --> 02:02:06,000
opaque brilliant white light

3069
02:02:10,629 --> 02:02:08,239
coming screaming down

3070
02:02:11,669 --> 02:02:10,639
and hitting the damn bricks and bouncing

3071
02:02:14,229 --> 02:02:11,679
along

3072
02:02:15,589 --> 02:02:14,239
before they would dissipate

3073
02:02:19,189 --> 02:02:15,599
i don't know how else to explain it

3074
02:02:21,830 --> 02:02:19,199
that's that's what i saw huh huh okay i

3075
02:02:23,910 --> 02:02:21,840
want everybody let's go to well do you

3076
02:02:26,070 --> 02:02:23,920
want to do 2011 or do you want to do

3077
02:02:28,310 --> 02:02:26,080
2012 first

3078
02:02:29,510 --> 02:02:28,320
well i think that you ought to think

3079
02:02:31,669 --> 02:02:29,520
about what you're

3080
02:02:33,830 --> 02:02:31,679
i mean the point i'm trying to make is

3081
02:02:36,629 --> 02:02:33,840
that my introduction to robert that was

3082
02:02:39,589 --> 02:02:36,639
my introduction right and so

3083
02:02:41,189 --> 02:02:39,599
i started to experience firsthand every

3084
02:02:45,189 --> 02:02:41,199
time i was there

3085
02:02:47,669 --> 02:02:45,199
a huge array of mind-boggling events it

3086
02:02:50,070 --> 02:02:47,679
happened every time all day long every

3087
02:02:53,030 --> 02:02:50,080
day multiple incidents

3088
02:02:53,990 --> 02:02:53,040
he took thousands of photographs with my

3089
02:02:57,830 --> 02:02:54,000
camera

3090
02:02:59,510 --> 02:02:57,840
with my chips dated with my handwriting

3091
02:03:02,390 --> 02:02:59,520
because i put a new chip in every

3092
02:03:04,629 --> 02:03:02,400
morning and dated in my handwriting

3093
02:03:06,790 --> 02:03:04,639
right never touched my camera right

3094
02:03:09,350 --> 02:03:06,800
unless i handed it to him

3095
02:03:11,990 --> 02:03:09,360
after a certain amount of this i would

3096
02:03:13,510 --> 02:03:12,000
come home from these trips and sometimes

3097
02:03:15,189 --> 02:03:13,520
i would just sit here

3098
02:03:16,629 --> 02:03:15,199
literally just sit

3099
02:03:18,709 --> 02:03:16,639
for weeks

3100
02:03:21,910 --> 02:03:18,719
trying to absorb what i'd seen on that

3101
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:21,920
last trip well because and and for me i

3102
02:03:26,550 --> 02:03:24,880
mean nancy the these experiences with

3103
02:03:29,750 --> 02:03:26,560
robert

3104
02:03:31,430 --> 02:03:29,760
had a little bit of everything

3105
02:03:34,550 --> 02:03:31,440
in it it was like an e-ticket at

3106
02:03:36,310 --> 02:03:34,560
disneyland in that you know you had you

3107
02:03:37,750 --> 02:03:36,320
had ghosts

3108
02:03:39,669 --> 02:03:37,760
apparitions

3109
02:03:40,830 --> 02:03:39,679
balls of light

3110
02:03:43,990 --> 02:03:40,840
of

3111
02:03:46,149 --> 02:03:44,000
ufos activity yeah et's

3112
02:03:48,629 --> 02:03:46,159
you know it just oh yeah zt's coming

3113
02:03:51,910 --> 02:03:48,639
left and right yeah yeah and and all of

3114
02:03:53,669 --> 02:03:51,920
it was photographed and and on top of

3115
02:03:54,950 --> 02:03:53,679
that all of these people who are

3116
02:03:58,950 --> 02:03:54,960
deceased

3117
02:04:01,589 --> 02:03:58,960
and in 2007 my own brother died

3118
02:04:03,830 --> 02:04:01,599
and i already had my ticket to go to

3119
02:04:06,069 --> 02:04:03,840
holland right and

3120
02:04:08,629 --> 02:04:06,079
uh robert told me that he thought my

3121
02:04:10,950 --> 02:04:08,639
brother was going to come on my camera

3122
02:04:12,629 --> 02:04:10,960
and i said no i don't want it i'm not

3123
02:04:14,069 --> 02:04:12,639
ready for that

3124
02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:14,079
but i went

3125
02:04:17,270 --> 02:04:15,040
and

3126
02:04:19,030 --> 02:04:17,280
it didn't make any difference the very

3127
02:04:20,790 --> 02:04:19,040
first day he took me into one of the

3128
02:04:23,669 --> 02:04:20,800
fields where the crop circles were to

3129
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:23,679
show them to me in broad daylight

3130
02:04:27,750 --> 02:04:24,560
and

3131
02:04:30,629 --> 02:04:27,760
seconds later he said your brother's

3132
02:04:32,470 --> 02:04:30,639
here can i have your camera

3133
02:04:35,350 --> 02:04:32,480
and i gave it to him

3134
02:04:37,750 --> 02:04:35,360
and he took 60 photos of bill

3135
02:04:39,589 --> 02:04:37,760
he had never seen bill and wouldn't have

3136
02:04:42,390 --> 02:04:39,599
known him if he fell on him

3137
02:04:43,990 --> 02:04:42,400
and that was my brother and he was there

3138
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:44,000
i mean his picture was there his image

3139
02:04:48,390 --> 02:04:45,520
was there right there

3140
02:04:51,030 --> 02:04:48,400
images of bill on my camera that robert

3141
02:04:53,910 --> 02:04:51,040
took when bill was dead for two months

3142
02:04:56,950 --> 02:04:53,920
that is it's incredible and and now what

3143
02:04:58,709 --> 02:04:56,960
i'd like everybody to do let's go um

3144
02:04:59,589 --> 02:04:58,719
just go to

3145
02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:59,599
the

3146
02:05:02,950 --> 02:05:00,560
home

3147
02:05:05,589 --> 02:05:02,960
tab on jimmychurchradio.com go to the

3148
02:05:07,589 --> 02:05:05,599
home tab hover over that and click on

3149
02:05:09,589 --> 02:05:07,599
nancy's name it's right there in the

3150
02:05:11,910 --> 02:05:09,599
upper left hand corner simple enough

3151
02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:11,920
hover on the home tab click on nancy's

3152
02:05:15,750 --> 02:05:14,400
name now we have a bunch of galleries on

3153
02:05:16,709 --> 02:05:15,760
this page

3154
02:05:18,069 --> 02:05:16,719
uh

3155
02:05:20,229 --> 02:05:18,079
that

3156
02:05:21,510 --> 02:05:20,239
robert and nancy took these photographs

3157
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:21,520
together

3158
02:05:25,589 --> 02:05:23,679
most of them and i need everybody to

3159
02:05:26,629 --> 02:05:25,599
understand these were taken with nancy's

3160
02:05:29,750 --> 02:05:26,639
camera

3161
02:05:32,229 --> 02:05:29,760
and dr william roles and a number of

3162
02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:32,239
other people right and video video teams

3163
02:05:36,069 --> 02:05:34,000
right right and and we'll go through

3164
02:05:39,109 --> 02:05:36,079
that but uh some of these are just

3165
02:05:41,350 --> 02:05:39,119
absolutely extraordinary so what what i

3166
02:05:43,990 --> 02:05:41,360
want to jump to first because i like the

3167
02:05:45,750 --> 02:05:44,000
the ufo stuff at the top and normally i

3168
02:05:47,990 --> 02:05:45,760
would go there and i like the second

3169
02:05:50,870 --> 02:05:48,000
gallery but i want to go to this third

3170
02:05:55,030 --> 02:05:50,880
gallery with robert and these

3171
02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:55,040
swirls of light and just tell me what

3172
02:05:57,830 --> 02:05:57,119
everybody is looking at let's start at

3173
02:06:03,990 --> 02:05:57,840
the

3174
02:06:07,589 --> 02:06:05,990
after that first night is that you

3175
02:06:08,950 --> 02:06:07,599
sitting there yeah that's me in bed

3176
02:06:10,470 --> 02:06:08,960
because i had a cold that year and he

3177
02:06:13,750 --> 02:06:10,480
was sitting in my room keeping me

3178
02:06:14,790 --> 02:06:13,760
company okay can you see this ball of

3179
02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:14,800
light

3180
02:06:19,350 --> 02:06:16,480
uh in the room when the picture was

3181
02:06:21,830 --> 02:06:19,360
taken not with my eyes no that isn't

3182
02:06:23,589 --> 02:06:21,840
sometimes can see it with his eyes right

3183
02:06:25,430 --> 02:06:23,599
sometimes he doesn't

3184
02:06:27,430 --> 02:06:25,440
and i don't honestly know in that case

3185
02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:27,440
whether he saw it or not i didn't see it

3186
02:06:31,830 --> 02:06:29,520
i've never seen anything like this and

3187
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:31,840
and i don't know how you could replicate

3188
02:06:36,709 --> 02:06:33,760
uh or try to

3189
02:06:39,030 --> 02:06:36,719
as you say get your control

3190
02:06:41,030 --> 02:06:39,040
you know or try to try to get another

3191
02:06:43,109 --> 02:06:41,040
version of this photograph to compare i

3192
02:06:45,030 --> 02:06:43,119
don't know how you would do it but what

3193
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:45,040
are the circumstances in this room what

3194
02:06:49,109 --> 02:06:47,119
what made him take this picture

3195
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:49,119
he's just keeping me company and he gets

3196
02:06:52,470 --> 02:06:50,159
bored

3197
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:52,480
so he was taking pictures and he takes

3198
02:06:57,510 --> 02:06:54,480
pictures he has thousands and thousands

3199
02:07:00,310 --> 02:06:57,520
and thousands of these i have three or

3200
02:07:03,109 --> 02:07:00,320
four thousand right here on my camera

3201
02:07:05,589 --> 02:07:03,119
and his father has a steel cabinet

3202
02:07:08,310 --> 02:07:05,599
that's eight feet tall by

3203
02:07:11,910 --> 02:07:08,320
oh god i don't know eight feet tall by

3204
02:07:13,750 --> 02:07:11,920
six seven eight feet wide crammed with

3205
02:07:16,229 --> 02:07:13,760
thousands books with thousands and

3206
02:07:18,470 --> 02:07:16,239
thousands and thousands more it's not a

3207
02:07:21,109 --> 02:07:18,480
joke no it's not and so i'm looking at

3208
02:07:22,550 --> 02:07:21,119
this picture and i don't really know my

3209
02:07:24,069 --> 02:07:22,560
mind is

3210
02:07:26,229 --> 02:07:24,079
you know doesn't know what i'm looking

3211
02:07:27,990 --> 02:07:26,239
at i'm gonna take a guess and then i

3212
02:07:29,669 --> 02:07:28,000
want your opinion but it looks like

3213
02:07:32,550 --> 02:07:29,679
maybe a soul

3214
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:32,560
you know some type of ghost uh with with

3215
02:07:37,030 --> 02:07:35,440
light trails off is it a spirit what

3216
02:07:40,229 --> 02:07:37,040
what do you think we're looking at

3217
02:07:41,750 --> 02:07:40,239
speculate that way right i simply don't

3218
02:07:44,790 --> 02:07:41,760
know what it is

3219
02:07:46,870 --> 02:07:44,800
and what does robert think that it is

3220
02:07:49,189 --> 02:07:46,880
he didn't even i don't remember him even

3221
02:07:50,149 --> 02:07:49,199
remarking about that the next picture

3222
02:07:52,149 --> 02:07:50,159
over

3223
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:52,159
was taken with one of our german

3224
02:07:55,830 --> 02:07:53,360
colleagues

3225
02:07:57,589 --> 02:07:55,840
a cameras a guy who's very sophisticated

3226
02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:57,599
robert has to have the camera he's not

3227
02:08:01,750 --> 02:07:59,760
mechanical at all right the cameras have

3228
02:08:04,390 --> 02:08:01,760
to be set in auto

3229
02:08:07,030 --> 02:08:04,400
and he does nothing to the camera except

3230
02:08:09,750 --> 02:08:07,040
push the record button he can't do

3231
02:08:12,069 --> 02:08:09,760
anything else and so this german guy who

3232
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:12,079
had questions just like you do

3233
02:08:16,709 --> 02:08:15,040
came and brought all his fancy cameras

3234
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:16,719
and the very first pictures robert got

3235
02:08:20,390 --> 02:08:18,320
with his cameras were ets which i

3236
02:08:22,470 --> 02:08:20,400
thought was funny as hell but this is

3237
02:08:23,350 --> 02:08:22,480
another night when andreas was staying

3238
02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:23,360
with us

3239
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:25,920
and that second one is one of the images

3240
02:08:30,149 --> 02:08:27,760
from one of his cameras

3241
02:08:32,470 --> 02:08:30,159
the next one over with all the squiggly

3242
02:08:34,709 --> 02:08:32,480
stuff all over it right is i'm sitting

3243
02:08:37,109 --> 02:08:34,719
three feet away from robert

3244
02:08:39,109 --> 02:08:37,119
watching him as he aims the camera at

3245
02:08:40,950 --> 02:08:39,119
his own face

3246
02:08:43,589 --> 02:08:40,960
and takes that picture we're sitting in

3247
02:08:46,069 --> 02:08:43,599
his kitchen right with my eyes i see

3248
02:08:46,950 --> 02:08:46,079
nothing between me and him except air

3249
02:08:48,629 --> 02:08:46,960
right

3250
02:08:52,069 --> 02:08:48,639
that's the kind of picture that came

3251
02:08:53,830 --> 02:08:52,079
it's insane i have no idea how this

3252
02:08:57,510 --> 02:08:53,840
could be

3253
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:57,520
me standing right there watching it yeah

3254
02:09:01,510 --> 02:09:00,000
i mean even my camera yeah even then i

3255
02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:01,520
have no idea it looks like you know it

3256
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:03,360
looks like it was taking on the las

3257
02:09:09,270 --> 02:09:05,760
vegas strip you know with the you know

3258
02:09:12,790 --> 02:09:09,280
that is and and and but not only that

3259
02:09:14,790 --> 02:09:12,800
but you've got two distinct types of or

3260
02:09:16,709 --> 02:09:14,800
more like three or four but two distinct

3261
02:09:19,669 --> 02:09:16,719
images on on

3262
02:09:23,589 --> 02:09:19,679
on this picture and but yet he is

3263
02:09:25,270 --> 02:09:23,599
perfectly still i i have no idea how how

3264
02:09:27,030 --> 02:09:25,280
uh i i don't know what i'm looking at

3265
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:27,040
that's a that's an amazing photograph

3266
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:29,360
you've got to suspend that kind of

3267
02:09:34,149 --> 02:09:31,360
judgment at the moment and just start to

3268
02:09:37,030 --> 02:09:34,159
absorb right and eventually maybe you'll

3269
02:09:39,109 --> 02:09:37,040
come to some idea i don't know yet the

3270
02:09:41,910 --> 02:09:39,119
fourth picture over the circle the

3271
02:09:44,550 --> 02:09:41,920
simple round circle right is one he took

3272
02:09:47,589 --> 02:09:44,560
outside in his special field

3273
02:09:50,550 --> 02:09:47,599
the special field is where he first saw

3274
02:09:52,870 --> 02:09:50,560
the light balls making a crop circle

3275
02:09:55,109 --> 02:09:52,880
and that was with his camera

3276
02:09:56,550 --> 02:09:55,119
then you go down to the next row and

3277
02:09:58,629 --> 02:09:56,560
that's me

3278
02:10:00,390 --> 02:09:58,639
in the orange shirt right and he's just

3279
02:10:02,950 --> 02:10:00,400
he's just feeling the energy and taking

3280
02:10:04,470 --> 02:10:02,960
a picture and that's one of them

3281
02:10:06,790 --> 02:10:04,480
well hold on let's

3282
02:10:09,510 --> 02:10:06,800
again i i don't want to

3283
02:10:12,470 --> 02:10:09,520
just rub this in the ground but you're

3284
02:10:14,550 --> 02:10:12,480
in focus the background's in focus the

3285
02:10:16,950 --> 02:10:14,560
pictures on the wall there's nothing the

3286
02:10:19,189 --> 02:10:16,960
camera is perfectly still

3287
02:10:21,430 --> 02:10:19,199
and what what the heck is going on here

3288
02:10:24,149 --> 02:10:21,440
what is it that we're looking at that is

3289
02:10:26,310 --> 02:10:24,159
bizarre calls them the energies

3290
02:10:28,629 --> 02:10:26,320
that is just bizarre and it's one

3291
02:10:31,189 --> 02:10:28,639
photograph now this this next one

3292
02:10:35,270 --> 02:10:31,199
it's uh one of my favorites it's what

3293
02:10:37,189 --> 02:10:35,280
not each shot of him yeah and again

3294
02:10:38,870 --> 02:10:37,199
do you think he's

3295
02:10:40,709 --> 02:10:38,880
is he talking or is he actually

3296
02:10:42,790 --> 02:10:40,719
manipulating this situation

3297
02:10:44,229 --> 02:10:42,800
he was feeling the presence of the

3298
02:10:47,830 --> 02:10:44,239
energies

3299
02:10:50,470 --> 02:10:47,840
and he set up the camera uh so that on

3300
02:10:52,470 --> 02:10:50,480
you said it and then you go and sit down

3301
02:10:55,189 --> 02:10:52,480
and it'll take a picture all by itself

3302
02:10:56,470 --> 02:10:55,199
right and that's how that shot was taken

3303
02:10:57,350 --> 02:10:56,480
he could feel them he knew they were

3304
02:10:59,750 --> 02:10:57,360
there

3305
02:11:00,550 --> 02:10:59,760
and he doesn't always know what it will

3306
02:11:07,669 --> 02:11:00,560
be

3307
02:11:09,589 --> 02:11:07,679
person he doesn't know

3308
02:11:12,470 --> 02:11:09,599
he knows but sometimes he doesn't i

3309
02:11:14,470 --> 02:11:12,480
remember nancy uh last month when you

3310
02:11:17,030 --> 02:11:14,480
were telling me jimmy just go to the

3311
02:11:19,830 --> 02:11:17,040
website and look at these pictures just

3312
02:11:23,109 --> 02:11:19,840
go just go we'll talk we'll just go and

3313
02:11:26,310 --> 02:11:23,119
just look and and and my mind was so

3314
02:11:28,470 --> 02:11:26,320
blown we all see yourself included we

3315
02:11:29,990 --> 02:11:28,480
see stuff like this all that not like

3316
02:11:32,310 --> 02:11:30,000
this but see

3317
02:11:33,750 --> 02:11:32,320
pictures all the time where people are

3318
02:11:35,910 --> 02:11:33,760
claiming one thing or the other that's

3319
02:11:38,550 --> 02:11:35,920
fine but then when you go and you look

3320
02:11:40,069 --> 02:11:38,560
at this it's like what this is this is

3321
02:11:41,589 --> 02:11:40,079
something real

3322
02:11:42,870 --> 02:11:41,599
this is not

3323
02:11:46,149 --> 02:11:42,880
fake

3324
02:11:48,310 --> 02:11:46,159
yeah it is absolutely incredible i wish

3325
02:11:50,310 --> 02:11:48,320
you know i can he takes a picture with

3326
02:11:52,390 --> 02:11:50,320
the buddha's head

3327
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:52,400
a light stripe coming oh yeah yeah yeah

3328
02:11:55,990 --> 02:11:54,079
yeah yeah yeah yeah

3329
02:11:57,750 --> 02:11:56,000
what you notice first of all there's no

3330
02:11:59,189 --> 02:11:57,760
light fixture up above that buddha's

3331
02:12:00,310 --> 02:11:59,199
head period i don't know what it is

3332
02:12:01,910 --> 02:12:00,320
that's the first thing everybody tells

3333
02:12:03,589 --> 02:12:01,920
me there is no light fixture i don't

3334
02:12:06,069 --> 02:12:03,599
know what i'm saying secondly

3335
02:12:09,350 --> 02:12:06,079
notice that you see how the kitchen

3336
02:12:11,109 --> 02:12:09,360
behind is soft and fuzz yep

3337
02:12:12,950 --> 02:12:11,119
one of the things that we started to

3338
02:12:14,470 --> 02:12:12,960
notice or i started to notice when there

3339
02:12:16,709 --> 02:12:14,480
were hundreds and hundreds and hundreds

3340
02:12:18,830 --> 02:12:16,719
of these right that when there is

3341
02:12:22,470 --> 02:12:18,840
something anomalous getting ready to

3342
02:12:24,550 --> 02:12:22,480
occur at first it would be a yellowy

3343
02:12:27,830 --> 02:12:24,560
amber color that would come on the

3344
02:12:29,189 --> 02:12:27,840
photos first we both of us now we knew

3345
02:12:32,629 --> 02:12:29,199
that meant pretty soon there was going

3346
02:12:39,030 --> 02:12:35,669
what happened and in this case what

3347
02:12:41,750 --> 02:12:39,040
we're seeing is the fuzz stuff now

3348
02:12:44,149 --> 02:12:41,760
nowadays what often happens before weird

3349
02:12:46,790 --> 02:12:44,159
pictures is it gets very dark the

3350
02:12:49,669 --> 02:12:46,800
picture will be darker than the actual

3351
02:12:52,390 --> 02:12:49,679
light in the room or the in the field is

3352
02:12:55,589 --> 02:12:52,400
it just gets like black sometimes when

3353
02:12:58,149 --> 02:12:55,599
it's not when it's daylight or whatever

3354
02:13:01,350 --> 02:12:58,159
that last row of shots is all they were

3355
02:13:03,910 --> 02:13:01,360
taken with dr roll's camera that is dr

3356
02:13:05,990 --> 02:13:03,920
roll with robert at the special field

3357
02:13:08,069 --> 02:13:06,000
right and this was a brand new camera

3358
02:13:10,470 --> 02:13:08,079
that roll had brought with him on

3359
02:13:12,069 --> 02:13:10,480
purpose we had to take it out of its box

3360
02:13:14,069 --> 02:13:12,079
and everything and put it together i

3361
02:13:15,189 --> 02:13:14,079
remember you telling me that chip

3362
02:13:17,350 --> 02:13:15,199
and roll

3363
02:13:20,950 --> 02:13:17,360
was standing right there as robert then

3364
02:13:22,790 --> 02:13:20,960
took 40 or 50 of these pink orange blue

3365
02:13:24,470 --> 02:13:22,800
these various photos those are just a

3366
02:13:25,270 --> 02:13:24,480
couple of them

3367
02:13:28,149 --> 02:13:25,280
i mean

3368
02:13:29,830 --> 02:13:28,159
dr roll was good watching i was watching

3369
02:13:32,149 --> 02:13:29,840
both of us and robert doesn't do

3370
02:13:34,950 --> 02:13:32,159
anything he just goes click click click

3371
02:13:36,870 --> 02:13:34,960
this picture with robert's eyeball

3372
02:13:38,390 --> 02:13:36,880
yeah he's aiming the camera at his own

3373
02:13:39,990 --> 02:13:38,400
face that is

3374
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:40,000
it's incredible

3375
02:13:45,910 --> 02:13:43,199
it's it's truly truly truly incredible

3376
02:13:47,350 --> 02:13:45,920
and everybody that is listening to my

3377
02:13:49,990 --> 02:13:47,360
voice right now

3378
02:13:51,510 --> 02:13:50,000
if you are not looking at these pictures

3379
02:13:53,510 --> 02:13:51,520
with this

3380
02:13:56,310 --> 02:13:53,520
you're insane because

3381
02:13:58,709 --> 02:13:56,320
these are absolutely

3382
02:14:00,550 --> 02:13:58,719
incredible and okay let's go to this

3383
02:14:02,069 --> 02:14:00,560
last one again

3384
02:14:06,149 --> 02:14:02,079
uh

3385
02:14:08,390 --> 02:14:06,159
explain that one the last one in the row

3386
02:14:10,790 --> 02:14:08,400
the one on that row where dr roll is

3387
02:14:13,589 --> 02:14:10,800
yeah yeah the white blobby pinky blue

3388
02:14:14,950 --> 02:14:13,599
thing i don't know i don't know either i

3389
02:14:16,629 --> 02:14:14,960
don't know i don't know what i'm looking

3390
02:14:18,629 --> 02:14:16,639
i don't tell people what i don't know

3391
02:14:20,550 --> 02:14:18,639
and i don't know yeah well it it's

3392
02:14:23,189 --> 02:14:20,560
hurting my hair

3393
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:23,199
it's just i don't know what i am looking

3394
02:14:29,430 --> 02:14:24,000
at

3395
02:14:31,990 --> 02:14:29,440
all by myself robert doesn't see many

3396
02:14:34,149 --> 02:14:32,000
people he and i get it off which is why

3397
02:14:34,950 --> 02:14:34,159
it's like this but i have to come home

3398
02:14:36,629 --> 02:14:34,960
here

3399
02:14:39,510 --> 02:14:36,639
with literally

3400
02:14:41,109 --> 02:14:39,520
hundreds or thousands of such photos

3401
02:14:43,830 --> 02:14:41,119
every year

3402
02:14:45,430 --> 02:14:43,840
and i can't tell anybody because nobody

3403
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:45,440
believes me right right right you have

3404
02:14:50,709 --> 02:14:47,840
to sit here and absorb

3405
02:14:52,390 --> 02:14:50,719
trying to understand right but in the

3406
02:14:54,390 --> 02:14:52,400
world you know i don't know what it

3407
02:14:57,189 --> 02:14:54,400
means what i know is that it's real

3408
02:14:59,189 --> 02:14:57,199
right and and i want to emphasize with

3409
02:15:01,669 --> 02:14:59,199
with with all of our listeners right now

3410
02:15:04,950 --> 02:15:01,679
the the way that i'm speaking to you now

3411
02:15:06,950 --> 02:15:04,960
is what nancy was trying to tell me

3412
02:15:09,350 --> 02:15:06,960
the first time that we had talked which

3413
02:15:11,109 --> 02:15:09,360
was jimmy just go and look there are

3414
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:11,119
literally

3415
02:15:16,069 --> 02:15:13,920
hundreds and hundreds of pictures of of

3416
02:15:19,189 --> 02:15:16,079
of of the ghosts of apparitions of

3417
02:15:20,790 --> 02:15:19,199
lights of ufos perfectly clear and i was

3418
02:15:22,790 --> 02:15:20,800
like nancy okay all right all right but

3419
02:15:25,430 --> 02:15:22,800
let's talk about the nvidia crop circle

3420
02:15:27,270 --> 02:15:25,440
no jimmy you need to understand and so

3421
02:15:29,030 --> 02:15:27,280
that's what i'm trying to emphasize with

3422
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:29,040
everybody here because i went i went

3423
02:15:32,790 --> 02:15:30,719
back to the studio that night after you

3424
02:15:34,069 --> 02:15:32,800
and i had talked nancy and i jumped on

3425
02:15:37,109 --> 02:15:34,079
blt

3426
02:15:38,470 --> 02:15:37,119
and uh and talked and your computers

3427
02:15:41,189 --> 02:15:38,480
were down at the time so we couldn't

3428
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:41,199
talk on the phone so but i spent like

3429
02:15:46,470 --> 02:15:43,840
two and a half days on your website

3430
02:15:47,669 --> 02:15:46,480
scratching yes scratching my head

3431
02:15:50,069 --> 02:15:47,679
reading

3432
02:15:51,750 --> 02:15:50,079
and trying to figure out what i what

3433
02:15:53,109 --> 02:15:51,760
exactly i was looking at now the

3434
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:53,119
photographs are here so i'm trying to

3435
02:15:57,910 --> 02:15:55,119
relate to everybody that can hear my

3436
02:16:00,790 --> 02:15:57,920
voice you've got to just go and look at

3437
02:16:03,430 --> 02:16:00,800
these pictures for yourself you can't

3438
02:16:05,750 --> 02:16:03,440
really draw a conclusion other than the

3439
02:16:07,510 --> 02:16:05,760
the pictures are authentic

3440
02:16:10,229 --> 02:16:07,520
you just don't know what you're looking

3441
02:16:13,669 --> 02:16:10,239
at and it's not hocus but you know it's

3442
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:13,679
goofy looking stuff this is incredible

3443
02:16:17,910 --> 02:16:16,000
and i can't put it into words and and

3444
02:16:20,470 --> 02:16:17,920
there's not a way for me to describe it

3445
02:16:22,629 --> 02:16:20,480
nancy that that that

3446
02:16:23,830 --> 02:16:22,639
i think does it justice you know you

3447
02:16:25,109 --> 02:16:23,840
just have to go and look at these

3448
02:16:28,149 --> 02:16:25,119
pictures yourself and they're just

3449
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:28,159
incredible so now let's go to nancy if

3450
02:16:31,189 --> 02:16:29,199
you would

3451
02:16:34,469 --> 02:16:31,199
let's uh let's go to the gallery

3452
02:16:36,230 --> 02:16:34,479
immediately above the lights

3453
02:16:38,549 --> 02:16:36,240
which is the gallery called roberts

3454
02:16:40,070 --> 02:16:38,559
takes thousands of photos of people who

3455
02:16:42,709 --> 02:16:40,080
have died

3456
02:16:44,309 --> 02:16:42,719
all right now again

3457
02:16:47,589 --> 02:16:44,319
let's just start with the first

3458
02:16:51,429 --> 02:16:47,599
photograph and it says i see dead people

3459
02:16:53,910 --> 02:16:51,439
jpeg what is this and it is it's kind of

3460
02:16:55,750 --> 02:16:53,920
creeping me out but what is it

3461
02:16:58,070 --> 02:16:55,760
well what we ought to do would be easier

3462
02:17:00,950 --> 02:16:58,080
if you don't start with a little girl

3463
02:17:04,230 --> 02:17:00,960
okay the easier if we start with the

3464
02:17:07,190 --> 02:17:04,240
first one on the top right okay with the

3465
02:17:08,950 --> 02:17:07,200
red outline apparition okay did a lot of

3466
02:17:11,190 --> 02:17:08,960
photo analysis because people just

3467
02:17:14,309 --> 02:17:11,200
couldn't believe it you know yeah and

3468
02:17:16,309 --> 02:17:14,319
that is a new guinea mud man it turns

3469
02:17:19,110 --> 02:17:16,319
out because we have dozens of these

3470
02:17:23,270 --> 02:17:19,120
shots you know that same creature

3471
02:17:26,230 --> 02:17:23,280
and the outline is taken from a photo

3472
02:17:27,429 --> 02:17:26,240
that we found of a bunch of new guinea

3473
02:17:30,150 --> 02:17:27,439
mud men

3474
02:17:31,830 --> 02:17:30,160
and the analyst who's an mit trained

3475
02:17:34,950 --> 02:17:31,840
photo analyst

3476
02:17:36,709 --> 02:17:34,960
made the outline of one of the figures

3477
02:17:39,349 --> 02:17:36,719
from that photo

3478
02:17:42,549 --> 02:17:39,359
and then superimposed it

3479
02:17:44,389 --> 02:17:42,559
along with green registration dots which

3480
02:17:46,629 --> 02:17:44,399
you've cut out here so you people can't

3481
02:17:49,910 --> 02:17:46,639
see it right but he then would drop that

3482
02:17:51,509 --> 02:17:49,920
over each of these dozens of images of

3483
02:17:52,709 --> 02:17:51,519
that same being

3484
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:52,719
to show

3485
02:17:59,110 --> 02:17:56,160
that in fact the the images are not the

3486
02:18:01,270 --> 02:17:59,120
same as what was in the photo

3487
02:18:03,669 --> 02:18:01,280
i got you i got you they are not the

3488
02:18:06,070 --> 02:18:03,679
same right right same thing with the

3489
02:18:07,669 --> 02:18:06,080
soldier those were taken and i think in

3490
02:18:09,589 --> 02:18:07,679
2004

3491
02:18:11,750 --> 02:18:09,599
and the soldier is the same thing we

3492
02:18:14,950 --> 02:18:11,760
found an image of

3493
02:18:17,110 --> 02:18:14,960
soldiers walking along a path a road in

3494
02:18:19,750 --> 02:18:17,120
belgium during the war

3495
02:18:21,429 --> 02:18:19,760
and it looked very much like that

3496
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:21,439
soldier that guy

3497
02:18:26,870 --> 02:18:24,559
was one of the soldiers in that picture

3498
02:18:29,589 --> 02:18:26,880
and so he did the same thing he made an

3499
02:18:31,830 --> 02:18:29,599
outline from the photo right but the

3500
02:18:34,950 --> 02:18:31,840
green registration or in this case red

3501
02:18:36,070 --> 02:18:34,960
registration dots at various places on

3502
02:18:38,950 --> 02:18:36,080
the figure

3503
02:18:40,150 --> 02:18:38,960
and then superimposed that over robert's

3504
02:18:42,469 --> 02:18:40,160
photos

3505
02:18:45,030 --> 02:18:42,479
because robert was being accused you see

3506
02:18:46,230 --> 02:18:45,040
of photoshopping or he that he didn't

3507
02:18:49,030 --> 02:18:46,240
even have a cat he didn't have a

3508
02:18:50,790 --> 02:18:49,040
computer until 2006

3509
02:18:52,549 --> 02:18:50,800
and when they would say that he googled

3510
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:52,559
things you know and he didn't even know

3511
02:18:56,709 --> 02:18:54,240
what google was

3512
02:18:58,790 --> 02:18:56,719
he didn't have a computer

3513
02:19:00,629 --> 02:18:58,800
and these images those were shot two

3514
02:19:02,549 --> 02:19:00,639
years before he had a computer do you

3515
02:19:03,429 --> 02:19:02,559
know how creepy this really is i mean

3516
02:19:05,910 --> 02:19:03,439
this is

3517
02:19:09,270 --> 02:19:05,920
not and i'm getting this i want you not

3518
02:19:11,270 --> 02:19:09,280
to go there okay okay well you know

3519
02:19:13,589 --> 02:19:11,280
okay okay all right

3520
02:19:15,910 --> 02:19:13,599
okay so then you move on to the brown

3521
02:19:17,589 --> 02:19:15,920
face of the man number two in the on the

3522
02:19:19,750 --> 02:19:17,599
top row right

3523
02:19:21,750 --> 02:19:19,760
that's the first time i had been hearing

3524
02:19:23,589 --> 02:19:21,760
from robert that he was doing this and i

3525
02:19:25,030 --> 02:19:23,599
had seen every time i would go i would

3526
02:19:27,349 --> 02:19:25,040
see a lot of the photos his father would

3527
02:19:28,309 --> 02:19:27,359
show them to me but i had never seen him

3528
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:28,319
do it

3529
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:30,319
and i don't write anything

3530
02:19:35,270 --> 02:19:33,040
for our website the blt site until i've

3531
02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:35,280
seen it right i want to make sure i'm

3532
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:37,200
telling people the truth

3533
02:19:41,349 --> 02:19:39,040
that night robert and i were in his

3534
02:19:43,830 --> 02:19:41,359
little office working on he had learned

3535
02:19:45,429 --> 02:19:43,840
how to make compass needles spin and he

3536
02:19:47,349 --> 02:19:45,439
could take big metal things and stick

3537
02:19:48,790 --> 02:19:47,359
them to his head and i was taking

3538
02:19:50,230 --> 02:19:48,800
pictures of all this because it was

3539
02:19:52,389 --> 02:19:50,240
something new

3540
02:19:56,950 --> 02:19:52,399
while we were working suddenly there

3541
02:19:59,510 --> 02:19:56,960
came a very gentle tap tap at that door

3542
02:20:00,950 --> 02:19:59,520
it was so quiet that i would ignore have

3543
02:20:03,349 --> 02:20:00,960
ignored it i wouldn't have known to pay

3544
02:20:04,950 --> 02:20:03,359
attention robert looked up from behind

3545
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:04,960
the desk where he was sitting and said

3546
02:20:09,190 --> 02:20:06,640
did you hear that

3547
02:20:10,710 --> 02:20:09,200
and i said yes and i knew immediately

3548
02:20:12,469 --> 02:20:10,720
something was getting ready to happen

3549
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:12,479
right he came around from his side of

3550
02:20:16,150 --> 02:20:14,800
the desk i'm using the camera you see at

3551
02:20:17,030 --> 02:20:16,160
this point i've been taking pictures of

3552
02:20:19,349 --> 02:20:17,040
him

3553
02:20:21,830 --> 02:20:19,359
he asked me if he can have the camera i

3554
02:20:24,630 --> 02:20:21,840
handed it to him i stood next to him

3555
02:20:27,429 --> 02:20:24,640
with my head literally touching his so i

3556
02:20:29,349 --> 02:20:27,439
could see the led screen you see right

3557
02:20:31,750 --> 02:20:29,359
he aims the camera holds it out in front

3558
02:20:34,150 --> 02:20:31,760
of his face about two three feet

3559
02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:34,160
with one hand

3560
02:20:38,469 --> 02:20:36,080
waits until he feels the energy is

3561
02:20:40,710 --> 02:20:38,479
exactly right and he clicks

3562
02:20:43,190 --> 02:20:40,720
that guy's face popped up and i jumped

3563
02:20:45,429 --> 02:20:43,200
like i had been shot

3564
02:20:47,270 --> 02:20:45,439
i could see nothing between me and that

3565
02:20:49,990 --> 02:20:47,280
door except for air

3566
02:20:52,710 --> 02:20:50,000
and yet that man and then he came many

3567
02:20:54,950 --> 02:20:52,720
more times was clear as a bell on the

3568
02:20:57,190 --> 02:20:54,960
led screen wait wait wait wait wait wait

3569
02:20:59,750 --> 02:20:57,200
i need to understand what you just said

3570
02:21:01,670 --> 02:20:59,760
when he was pointing because now you are

3571
02:21:03,190 --> 02:21:01,680
freaking me out you're saying that he

3572
02:21:05,990 --> 02:21:03,200
was pointing the camera you're looking

3573
02:21:08,309 --> 02:21:06,000
at the screen and at that at the moment

3574
02:21:09,830 --> 02:21:08,319
before he pulls the trigger it's just a

3575
02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:09,840
shot of the room

3576
02:21:14,230 --> 02:21:12,240
he takes the picture and then boom on

3577
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:14,240
the screen immediately you know you can

3578
02:21:17,670 --> 02:21:16,080
see the picture that was just taken this

3579
02:21:21,670 --> 02:21:17,680
guy's face is there

3580
02:21:24,230 --> 02:21:21,680
correct that is that is expel

3581
02:21:25,910 --> 02:21:24,240
and and and and and in the picture

3582
02:21:27,630 --> 02:21:25,920
everybody needs to understand what we're

3583
02:21:29,270 --> 02:21:27,640
looking at just go to

3584
02:21:32,070 --> 02:21:29,280
jimmychurchradio.com

3585
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hover over home click on nancy talbot go

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to the

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the second gallery

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02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:36,720
oh no it says nancy you're right yeah it

3589
02:21:42,469 --> 02:21:39,439
says nasty okay so this picture who is

3590
02:21:44,630 --> 02:21:42,479
this guy and he's also trans he's also

3591
02:21:45,990 --> 02:21:44,640
this is another one of these instances

3592
02:21:49,110 --> 02:21:46,000
in this case

3593
02:21:52,230 --> 02:21:49,120
robert told me that he thought this guy

3594
02:21:54,389 --> 02:21:52,240
was and was probably lost had not yet

3595
02:21:57,030 --> 02:21:54,399
understood that he was dead

3596
02:21:57,910 --> 02:21:57,040
and needed some help to go to the light

3597
02:22:01,270 --> 02:21:57,920
this is

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02:22:02,870 --> 02:22:01,280
he then did what he does he calls in

3599
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:02,880
there are certain angels that he knows

3600
02:22:06,710 --> 02:22:04,640
how to call in

3601
02:22:08,389 --> 02:22:06,720
and they usually appear as light balls

3602
02:22:10,870 --> 02:22:08,399
although not always

3603
02:22:13,670 --> 02:22:10,880
and he focused on calling them and to

3604
02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:13,680
help this man right and they did appear

3605
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:15,840
in the last photos and then the man was

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02:22:19,750 --> 02:22:18,319
gone so nancy this is not a relative

3607
02:22:21,190 --> 02:22:19,760
this is not somebody that they know i've

3608
02:22:23,990 --> 02:22:21,200
seen it before and robert doesn't know

3609
02:22:26,309 --> 02:22:24,000
who he is either that wow wow wow wow

3610
02:22:29,190 --> 02:22:26,319
what a crazy and he looks so forlorn in

3611
02:22:32,630 --> 02:22:29,200
this picture and he's looking straight

3612
02:22:34,389 --> 02:22:32,640
into the lens and he's also transparent

3613
02:22:37,030 --> 02:22:34,399
that's the other i mean if you knew who

3614
02:22:39,670 --> 02:22:37,040
that was you'd know who that was exactly

3615
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:39,680
exactly exactly that is a picture to the

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02:22:43,190 --> 02:22:40,960
right of him

3617
02:22:45,190 --> 02:22:43,200
is one of the uh

3618
02:22:47,030 --> 02:22:45,200
dead people photos that robert took with

3619
02:22:48,710 --> 02:22:47,040
dr roll's camera

3620
02:22:51,349 --> 02:22:48,720
with dr roll watching we thought that

3621
02:22:53,190 --> 02:22:51,359
might be one of dr roll's colleagues or

3622
02:22:55,510 --> 02:22:53,200
friends but he said no he didn't know

3623
02:22:57,349 --> 02:22:55,520
who it was and the picture in the lower

3624
02:22:59,030 --> 02:22:57,359
left is one of the ones of my brother

3625
02:22:59,990 --> 02:22:59,040
bill

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02:23:01,190 --> 02:23:00,000
the

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02:23:02,870 --> 02:23:01,200
oh wow

3628
02:23:11,429 --> 02:23:02,880
wow i remember seeing this in broad

3629
02:23:15,030 --> 02:23:13,990
i understand why you do

3630
02:23:16,870 --> 02:23:15,040
but

3631
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:16,880
go down to the very bottom of all these

3632
02:23:20,870 --> 02:23:18,399
pictures you put together where john

3633
02:23:21,990 --> 02:23:20,880
lennon is uh-huh yep and the creature

3634
02:23:23,190 --> 02:23:22,000
yep

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02:23:26,150 --> 02:23:23,200
robert

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02:23:28,389 --> 02:23:26,160
when he was a child he didn't know

3637
02:23:29,990 --> 02:23:28,399
anything different when i mean he has

3638
02:23:31,670 --> 02:23:30,000
always seen

3639
02:23:32,950 --> 02:23:31,680
the people who have died his deceased

3640
02:23:35,590 --> 02:23:32,960
relatives

3641
02:23:36,870 --> 02:23:35,600
uh he's always seen creatures he thought

3642
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:36,880
everybody did he didn't know the

3643
02:23:40,950 --> 02:23:38,960
difference and it wasn't until a certain

3644
02:23:42,550 --> 02:23:40,960
age you know where it became clear that

3645
02:23:43,830 --> 02:23:42,560
whatever was going on with him was

3646
02:23:44,950 --> 02:23:43,840
different

3647
02:23:48,070 --> 02:23:44,960
but

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02:23:50,150 --> 02:23:48,080
he learned at some point that

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02:23:52,389 --> 02:23:50,160
if you are one of these people

3650
02:23:56,070 --> 02:23:52,399
who is open to

3651
02:23:59,429 --> 02:23:56,080
a larger reality a larger consciousness

3652
02:24:01,910 --> 02:23:59,439
that there are many multiple multiple

3653
02:24:04,710 --> 02:24:01,920
hundreds millions i don't know lots and

3654
02:24:06,790 --> 02:24:04,720
lots of other consciousnesses

3655
02:24:08,870 --> 02:24:06,800
that do exist

3656
02:24:10,870 --> 02:24:08,880
and some of them are interdimensional

3657
02:24:13,030 --> 02:24:10,880
and some of them are angelic and some of

3658
02:24:14,550 --> 02:24:13,040
them are extraterrestrial sure and some

3659
02:24:16,630 --> 02:24:14,560
of them are what we maybe don't know

3660
02:24:19,830 --> 02:24:16,640
what to call them right

3661
02:24:21,030 --> 02:24:19,840
and he learned that some of them were

3662
02:24:24,389 --> 02:24:21,040
positive

3663
02:24:28,150 --> 02:24:24,399
were interested in helping mankind

3664
02:24:30,950 --> 02:24:28,160
or in some way in in helping us grow and

3665
02:24:33,030 --> 02:24:30,960
that others of them particularly this

3666
02:24:35,670 --> 02:24:33,040
type you hear about all the time when

3667
02:24:38,230 --> 02:24:35,680
you hear about abductions right

3668
02:24:41,670 --> 02:24:38,240
they are not interested in helping

3669
02:24:43,670 --> 02:24:41,680
mankind they are self-serving

3670
02:24:45,030 --> 02:24:43,680
and they are self-serving to the point

3671
02:24:48,309 --> 02:24:45,040
where they will

3672
02:24:51,429 --> 02:24:48,319
take advantage of and even hurt humans

3673
02:24:54,550 --> 02:24:51,439
robert will have nothing to do with them

3674
02:24:57,349 --> 02:24:54,560
he had a very difficult battle

3675
02:24:59,990 --> 02:24:57,359
at one point in his growing up

3676
02:25:01,670 --> 02:25:00,000
when he became aware of this

3677
02:25:03,590 --> 02:25:01,680
that there were once you were open that

3678
02:25:05,750 --> 02:25:03,600
all kinds of things could come you see

3679
02:25:07,670 --> 02:25:05,760
exactly and and i want to come back to

3680
02:25:11,030 --> 02:25:07,680
that point but i'm not going to let you

3681
02:25:12,790 --> 02:25:11,040
get away i want to i want to ask you how

3682
02:25:13,990 --> 02:25:12,800
and if well actually let me say that

3683
02:25:15,990 --> 02:25:14,000
question i'm going to get to these

3684
02:25:17,750 --> 02:25:16,000
pictures because i'll help you exactly

3685
02:25:19,670 --> 02:25:17,760
let's go to the little girl or you want

3686
02:25:21,590 --> 02:25:19,680
to do john lennon

3687
02:25:23,429 --> 02:25:21,600
and this creature okay all the way at

3688
02:25:25,349 --> 02:25:23,439
the bottom of the page everybody at the

3689
02:25:27,429 --> 02:25:25,359
bottom of everything there's two

3690
02:25:29,990 --> 02:25:27,439
photographs down by themselves on the

3691
02:25:31,590 --> 02:25:30,000
left is john lennon on the right is the

3692
02:25:33,670 --> 02:25:31,600
creature

3693
02:25:37,270 --> 02:25:33,680
being a being that's all we call them

3694
02:25:39,590 --> 02:25:37,280
just beans okay okay so john lennon

3695
02:25:41,270 --> 02:25:39,600
he went through this time where he had

3696
02:25:42,150 --> 02:25:41,280
to come to grips

3697
02:25:49,429 --> 02:25:42,160
with

3698
02:25:52,070 --> 02:25:49,439
effort and some fear

3699
02:25:54,630 --> 02:25:52,080
to finally get himself in a place where

3700
02:25:56,469 --> 02:25:54,640
he could stop and he can

3701
02:25:58,389 --> 02:25:56,479
any of that kind of influence he will

3702
02:25:59,910 --> 02:25:58,399
not allow it to have anything to do with

3703
02:26:02,070 --> 02:25:59,920
him

3704
02:26:04,389 --> 02:26:02,080
because his only interest is in using

3705
02:26:05,830 --> 02:26:04,399
this ability to

3706
02:26:08,630 --> 02:26:05,840
help people

3707
02:26:09,910 --> 02:26:08,640
understand that what we see in life is

3708
02:26:11,429 --> 02:26:09,920
only part

3709
02:26:14,389 --> 02:26:11,439
of what exists

3710
02:26:17,429 --> 02:26:14,399
that when we die we don't disappear

3711
02:26:20,230 --> 02:26:17,439
our our personalities do not disappear

3712
02:26:22,389 --> 02:26:20,240
our souls our beings our our essence

3713
02:26:23,830 --> 02:26:22,399
does not disappear our bodies of course

3714
02:26:24,790 --> 02:26:23,840
do

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02:26:26,710 --> 02:26:24,800
and

3716
02:26:28,550 --> 02:26:26,720
this these two pictures are a beautiful

3717
02:26:31,590 --> 02:26:28,560
example william gozeki who is a

3718
02:26:35,270 --> 02:26:31,600
filmmaker in la and a friend of mine

3719
02:26:36,710 --> 02:26:35,280
uh went over to see robert one winner in

3720
02:26:39,429 --> 02:26:36,720
the middle winner

3721
02:26:40,950 --> 02:26:39,439
uh and wanted to document this for

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02:26:43,750 --> 02:26:40,960
himself

3723
02:26:45,670 --> 02:26:43,760
and i trust william so i said i set up

3724
02:26:47,910 --> 02:26:45,680
so he could go and he went

3725
02:26:51,110 --> 02:26:47,920
and a number of different people

3726
02:26:54,150 --> 02:26:51,120
manifested while william was filming in

3727
02:26:56,230 --> 02:26:54,160
this case william has a video camera and

3728
02:26:58,950 --> 02:26:56,240
he simply is following robert around

3729
02:27:01,270 --> 02:26:58,960
until robert settles in a spot

3730
02:27:02,870 --> 02:27:01,280
and focuses on the energy robert will

3731
02:27:04,870 --> 02:27:02,880
have a digital camera

3732
02:27:07,110 --> 02:27:04,880
and william focused these entire

3733
02:27:10,070 --> 02:27:07,120
episodes there were several of them

3734
02:27:13,349 --> 02:27:10,080
but in this case john lennon robert

3735
02:27:15,190 --> 02:27:13,359
remember was born in 1980 lennon died in

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02:27:17,429 --> 02:27:15,200
1980

3737
02:27:19,429 --> 02:27:17,439
robert never knew him and never

3738
02:27:21,670 --> 02:27:19,439
even knew his music he knew he knew

3739
02:27:24,710 --> 02:27:21,680
about the beatles of course but lennon

3740
02:27:27,190 --> 02:27:24,720
was never one of his you know music fans

3741
02:27:30,230 --> 02:27:27,200
okay in one of his music interests right

3742
02:27:31,830 --> 02:27:30,240
and so he felt an energy present this

3743
02:27:33,190 --> 02:27:31,840
was the second or third night that

3744
02:27:34,710 --> 02:27:33,200
william was there

3745
02:27:36,710 --> 02:27:34,720
and william follows him turns on the

3746
02:27:38,950 --> 02:27:36,720
video and just lets it run and he's

3747
02:27:41,349 --> 02:27:38,960
aiming at robert the entire time

3748
02:27:42,870 --> 02:27:41,359
and it shows robert talking to this

3749
02:27:46,150 --> 02:27:42,880
energy first

3750
02:27:48,870 --> 02:27:46,160
and he's asking permission and is it

3751
02:27:51,670 --> 02:27:48,880
okay for me to say that oh can i really

3752
02:27:53,910 --> 02:27:51,680
say that you hear all this on the video

3753
02:27:55,110 --> 02:27:53,920
because he's hearing john tell him who

3754
02:27:57,270 --> 02:27:55,120
he is

3755
02:27:59,110 --> 02:27:57,280
and robert understands that john lennon

3756
02:28:01,110 --> 02:27:59,120
was a famous person

3757
02:28:02,870 --> 02:28:01,120
and he's embarrassed because he doesn't

3758
02:28:05,750 --> 02:28:02,880
know lenin's music

3759
02:28:08,550 --> 02:28:05,760
and he apologizes to lennon

3760
02:28:10,550 --> 02:28:08,560
out loud in english this time because

3761
02:28:12,950 --> 02:28:10,560
william is there and he's saying i'm so

3762
02:28:14,309 --> 02:28:12,960
sorry but i did i did never really knew

3763
02:28:17,429 --> 02:28:14,319
your music

3764
02:28:20,070 --> 02:28:17,439
and then he says okay okay i will and

3765
02:28:21,910 --> 02:28:20,080
he's talking to what looks like air

3766
02:28:24,230 --> 02:28:21,920
and then he turns right to the camera to

3767
02:28:26,230 --> 02:28:24,240
william and he says it's john lennon

3768
02:28:27,110 --> 02:28:26,240
and then he takes his digital camera

3769
02:28:29,830 --> 02:28:27,120
with

3770
02:28:32,070 --> 02:28:29,840
the film camera running the entire time

3771
02:28:33,270 --> 02:28:32,080
and he takes shot after shot after shot

3772
02:28:35,670 --> 02:28:33,280
after shot

3773
02:28:38,710 --> 02:28:35,680
and john is in a whole bunch of them and

3774
02:28:39,750 --> 02:28:38,720
interspersed between john is this other

3775
02:28:41,830 --> 02:28:39,760
being

3776
02:28:43,110 --> 02:28:41,840
and it's a star child of some sort

3777
02:28:47,030 --> 02:28:43,120
robert says

3778
02:28:48,950 --> 02:28:47,040
who is just a total being of love

3779
02:28:51,510 --> 02:28:48,960
and because lenin was such an

3780
02:28:52,790 --> 02:28:51,520
enlightened person such an enlightened

3781
02:28:54,950 --> 02:28:52,800
human

3782
02:28:57,349 --> 02:28:54,960
this is one of his

3783
02:29:00,150 --> 02:28:57,359
i guess pal would not be the right word

3784
02:29:01,429 --> 02:29:00,160
it's one of his associates in the other

3785
02:29:04,070 --> 02:29:01,439
world

3786
02:29:06,309 --> 02:29:04,080
and if you look at all of the images you

3787
02:29:09,590 --> 02:29:06,319
see john a couple shots then you'll see

3788
02:29:12,790 --> 02:29:09,600
this being then again right right right

3789
02:29:14,309 --> 02:29:12,800
but it's a gentle and loving thing it is

3790
02:29:16,309 --> 02:29:14,319
not frightening

3791
02:29:19,030 --> 02:29:16,319
and the first time you see it it is

3792
02:29:21,750 --> 02:29:19,040
startling it is very startling and and

3793
02:29:24,070 --> 02:29:21,760
the eyes and but you can you know now

3794
02:29:26,950 --> 02:29:24,080
that you've explained it like that okay

3795
02:29:27,990 --> 02:29:26,960
i'm i feel a little bit calmer but it is

3796
02:29:30,630 --> 02:29:28,000
still

3797
02:29:32,230 --> 02:29:30,640
you know why it's scary nancy it's only

3798
02:29:33,990 --> 02:29:32,240
because you don't understand you don't

3799
02:29:36,309 --> 02:29:34,000
understand you don't know what you're

3800
02:29:39,110 --> 02:29:36,319
looking at you know it doesn't you can't

3801
02:29:40,950 --> 02:29:39,120
relate anything into the real world

3802
02:29:43,429 --> 02:29:40,960
that you're familiar with

3803
02:29:46,070 --> 02:29:43,439
with this uh with this shot

3804
02:29:48,389 --> 02:29:46,080
um i've been with him so many times out

3805
02:29:50,550 --> 02:29:48,399
in these fields if something wanted to

3806
02:29:53,030 --> 02:29:50,560
hurt either one of us

3807
02:29:55,270 --> 02:29:53,040
we have been in the middle of nowhere so

3808
02:29:56,230 --> 02:29:55,280
many times at two three four o'clock in

3809
02:29:57,830 --> 02:29:56,240
the morning

3810
02:30:00,309 --> 02:29:57,840
that lord knows

3811
02:30:02,469 --> 02:30:00,319
it could have done whatever it wanted

3812
02:30:05,030 --> 02:30:02,479
and it has never

3813
02:30:07,750 --> 02:30:05,040
and i think if you scroll up this page

3814
02:30:09,510 --> 02:30:07,760
to the ufo photos right i'm going to

3815
02:30:11,830 --> 02:30:09,520
show you something else and tell you the

3816
02:30:13,349 --> 02:30:11,840
story because okay i want to help you

3817
02:30:15,830 --> 02:30:13,359
absolutely

3818
02:30:17,270 --> 02:30:15,840
let's save that because

3819
02:30:19,750 --> 02:30:17,280
one of the ones

3820
02:30:22,309 --> 02:30:19,760
no we've got to uh talk about this

3821
02:30:24,230 --> 02:30:22,319
little girl picture oh a little girl

3822
02:30:26,070 --> 02:30:24,240
yeah at easter

3823
02:30:28,469 --> 02:30:26,080
one year easter is very important to

3824
02:30:31,110 --> 02:30:28,479
robert he's not religious his his

3825
02:30:33,910 --> 02:30:31,120
country is catholic he himself and his

3826
02:30:36,710 --> 02:30:33,920
family they are not formally religious

3827
02:30:39,429 --> 02:30:36,720
but he's very spiritually inclined and

3828
02:30:41,190 --> 02:30:39,439
so easter is very important for him and

3829
02:30:42,950 --> 02:30:41,200
i went that year just because i wanted

3830
02:30:44,230 --> 02:30:42,960
to be with him at easter

3831
02:30:48,469 --> 02:30:44,240
and

3832
02:30:50,950 --> 02:30:48,479
that year uh what happened primarily

3833
02:30:53,670 --> 02:30:50,960
were children's photos

3834
02:30:56,150 --> 02:30:53,680
and it was my camera in every case and

3835
02:30:57,750 --> 02:30:56,160
in every case i was right with him

3836
02:30:59,590 --> 02:30:57,760
standing right next to him and he would

3837
02:31:01,990 --> 02:30:59,600
tell me sometimes before some of the

3838
02:31:03,510 --> 02:31:02,000
shots he would describe he would see

3839
02:31:05,429 --> 02:31:03,520
them in his head

3840
02:31:08,070 --> 02:31:05,439
before they actually appeared on the

3841
02:31:10,950 --> 02:31:08,080
photos and several times he made me jump

3842
02:31:12,950 --> 02:31:10,960
because when the image would come and we

3843
02:31:14,790 --> 02:31:12,960
would both see it right

3844
02:31:16,309 --> 02:31:14,800
exactly that's what i was seeing that's

3845
02:31:18,389 --> 02:31:16,319
what i was seeing

3846
02:31:21,990 --> 02:31:18,399
after all of these years with this

3847
02:31:24,630 --> 02:31:22,000
happening for so many years he is still

3848
02:31:27,030 --> 02:31:24,640
as thrilled as excited

3849
02:31:29,670 --> 02:31:27,040
as grateful to the

3850
02:31:31,990 --> 02:31:29,680
larger consciousness for this

3851
02:31:33,990 --> 02:31:32,000
it's really quite humbling to see

3852
02:31:36,469 --> 02:31:34,000
and this little girl was

3853
02:31:38,550 --> 02:31:36,479
one of my favorites from that session

3854
02:31:39,590 --> 02:31:38,560
with i mean we don't know who she is we

3855
02:31:41,429 --> 02:31:39,600
don't know

3856
02:31:43,830 --> 02:31:41,439
when she lived although my guess would

3857
02:31:45,830 --> 02:31:43,840
be perhaps some time ago it looks like

3858
02:31:49,429 --> 02:31:45,840
we can't make clothes you know

3859
02:31:50,790 --> 02:31:49,439
19 before 1940 maybe world war ii and

3860
02:31:53,110 --> 02:31:50,800
before

3861
02:31:54,469 --> 02:31:53,120
i would think yeah yeah i mean it's not

3862
02:31:58,150 --> 02:31:54,479
there's nothing

3863
02:31:59,990 --> 02:31:58,160
nothing modern about her at all

3864
02:32:01,110 --> 02:32:00,000
and they can be the pictures can

3865
02:32:04,070 --> 02:32:01,120
represent

3866
02:32:05,590 --> 02:32:04,080
all different time periods and

3867
02:32:08,070 --> 02:32:05,600
i mean really it's

3868
02:32:10,469 --> 02:32:08,080
we know who some of them are and some of

3869
02:32:12,389 --> 02:32:10,479
his clients you see for many years

3870
02:32:14,389 --> 02:32:12,399
people have been coming to him and they

3871
02:32:16,630 --> 02:32:14,399
bring their own cameras right and they

3872
02:32:17,910 --> 02:32:16,640
come often to ask about their deceased

3873
02:32:20,469 --> 02:32:17,920
relatives

3874
02:32:22,790 --> 02:32:20,479
and he says we'll bring your camera

3875
02:32:24,710 --> 02:32:22,800
and then he does a reading and after the

3876
02:32:26,790 --> 02:32:24,720
reading he'll say do you want me to take

3877
02:32:29,110 --> 02:32:26,800
photos because some people do and some

3878
02:32:30,870 --> 02:32:29,120
people don't and if they do they hand

3879
02:32:33,110 --> 02:32:30,880
him the camera and they're right there

3880
02:32:35,590 --> 02:32:33,120
with him while he then shoots pictures

3881
02:32:36,790 --> 02:32:35,600
and it's always the people they came to

3882
02:32:38,389 --> 02:32:36,800
talk about

3883
02:32:40,630 --> 02:32:38,399
and then these are people robert has

3884
02:32:43,429 --> 02:32:40,640
never seen before in his life

3885
02:32:44,550 --> 02:32:43,439
nancy i've got a question that is coming

3886
02:32:49,510 --> 02:32:44,560
in

3887
02:32:52,070 --> 02:32:49,520
my producers here at the studio and one

3888
02:32:54,550 --> 02:32:52,080
of them they're asking uh one of our

3889
02:32:58,469 --> 02:32:54,560
listeners dave is asking about

3890
02:32:59,510 --> 02:32:58,479
a barbary castle in wilshire uk

3891
02:33:01,030 --> 02:32:59,520
does that

3892
02:33:03,030 --> 02:33:01,040
ring in a bell

3893
02:33:05,429 --> 02:33:03,040
barbary castle triangle

3894
02:33:07,910 --> 02:33:05,439
i i guess so that's all that i have here

3895
02:33:10,630 --> 02:33:07,920
um there are many formations that have

3896
02:33:12,230 --> 02:33:10,640
occurred at a location called barbary

3897
02:33:14,950 --> 02:33:12,240
castle okay

3898
02:33:16,469 --> 02:33:14,960
okay so again i have to know which one

3899
02:33:17,670 --> 02:33:16,479
right

3900
02:33:20,230 --> 02:33:17,680
yeah

3901
02:33:21,750 --> 02:33:20,240
it's simply a location and there are

3902
02:33:25,110 --> 02:33:21,760
many many circles that have occurred

3903
02:33:28,630 --> 02:33:25,120
there okay and next um

3904
02:33:29,510 --> 02:33:28,640
a couple of uh listeners are asking

3905
02:33:31,830 --> 02:33:29,520
about

3906
02:33:33,110 --> 02:33:31,840
the door handle in the pic with the

3907
02:33:34,630 --> 02:33:33,120
little girl

3908
02:33:36,469 --> 02:33:34,640
and that's that's

3909
02:33:40,710 --> 02:33:36,479
it's in front of

3910
02:33:42,870 --> 02:33:40,720
her hand in one of the photos okay

3911
02:33:45,110 --> 02:33:42,880
and all the others again you have to go

3912
02:33:47,990 --> 02:33:45,120
to the rob the vandenbrook case on the

3913
02:33:51,349 --> 02:33:48,000
blt website okay and then scroll down to

3914
02:33:54,150 --> 02:33:51,359
the apparition photos report right and

3915
02:33:57,349 --> 02:33:54,160
you will see many photos of her and only

3916
02:34:00,150 --> 02:33:57,359
one her hand is behind

3917
02:34:03,590 --> 02:34:00,160
the handle and the others her hand is in

3918
02:34:06,150 --> 02:34:03,600
front huh it's a it's a you know and i

3919
02:34:09,030 --> 02:34:06,160
i'm sorry one of the scary one of the

3920
02:34:10,070 --> 02:34:09,040
most i'm a dad okay when before i was a

3921
02:34:12,469 --> 02:34:10,080
dad

3922
02:34:14,630 --> 02:34:12,479
children didn't affect me or affect me

3923
02:34:18,070 --> 02:34:14,640
as much or in the same way

3924
02:34:20,469 --> 02:34:18,080
but now you know when i hear or see

3925
02:34:23,030 --> 02:34:20,479
children like this it affects me

3926
02:34:23,830 --> 02:34:23,040
emotionally and this is a very emotional

3927
02:34:25,510 --> 02:34:23,840
shot

3928
02:34:27,270 --> 02:34:25,520
you know she's looking off into the

3929
02:34:28,550 --> 02:34:27,280
distance and

3930
02:34:30,790 --> 02:34:28,560
and uh

3931
02:34:33,110 --> 02:34:30,800
she looks alone it's just you know it's

3932
02:34:35,030 --> 02:34:33,120
a very emotional photograph before

3933
02:34:36,469 --> 02:34:35,040
you're born you're alone and when you

3934
02:34:40,309 --> 02:34:36,479
die you're alone

3935
02:34:43,429 --> 02:34:40,319
as far as people go but you're not alone

3936
02:34:45,349 --> 02:34:43,439
when you consider the spirit

3937
02:34:47,270 --> 02:34:45,359
incredible photograph never alone if

3938
02:34:50,150 --> 02:34:47,280
you're if you consider that part of

3939
02:34:52,469 --> 02:34:50,160
reality right okay let's deny that that

3940
02:34:53,990 --> 02:34:52,479
part of reality exists then yes i can

3941
02:34:56,630 --> 02:34:54,000
see how it would be

3942
02:34:59,270 --> 02:34:56,640
would make you feel terrible but if

3943
02:35:03,110 --> 02:34:59,280
for you it is possible

3944
02:35:05,349 --> 02:35:03,120
or even probable that there is a larger

3945
02:35:06,710 --> 02:35:05,359
loving consciousness

3946
02:35:08,070 --> 02:35:06,720
then

3947
02:35:10,870 --> 02:35:08,080
we're never alone

3948
02:35:12,150 --> 02:35:10,880
how did you feel when um it's just going

3949
02:35:14,790 --> 02:35:12,160
to get a little personal but when you

3950
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:14,800
saw the photographs of your brother

3951
02:35:18,230 --> 02:35:16,080
did you

3952
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:18,240
start to maybe understand a little bit

3953
02:35:23,590 --> 02:35:20,800
about the other side or that maybe

3954
02:35:25,030 --> 02:35:23,600
well to to just ask you directly that

3955
02:35:26,309 --> 02:35:25,040
this is real

3956
02:35:28,550 --> 02:35:26,319
and that your brother's trying to

3957
02:35:31,590 --> 02:35:28,560
communicate with you in some way and did

3958
02:35:33,110 --> 02:35:31,600
he and how did you feel about that

3959
02:35:35,190 --> 02:35:33,120
he did

3960
02:35:36,550 --> 02:35:35,200
well okay i'm gonna tell you the story

3961
02:35:40,309 --> 02:35:36,560
well i don't want you to get emotional

3962
02:35:42,309 --> 02:35:40,319
on me don't lose it because i would okay

3963
02:35:44,870 --> 02:35:42,319
but maybe this will make the same point

3964
02:35:46,550 --> 02:35:44,880
i want people to understand about this

3965
02:35:47,910 --> 02:35:46,560
okay um

3966
02:35:49,830 --> 02:35:47,920
my brother had lived in the middle of

3967
02:35:51,750 --> 02:35:49,840
the south pacific for the 20 years or so

3968
02:35:54,150 --> 02:35:51,760
before he died on a little island called

3969
02:35:55,270 --> 02:35:54,160
palau okay he didn't really dig the

3970
02:35:57,349 --> 02:35:55,280
states

3971
02:35:59,349 --> 02:35:57,359
and i hadn't seen him except once in a

3972
02:36:02,550 --> 02:35:59,359
while for years so it was not like we

3973
02:36:05,110 --> 02:36:02,560
were very close at the time of his death

3974
02:36:07,429 --> 02:36:05,120
we were very close growing up

3975
02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:07,439
um

3976
02:36:10,950 --> 02:36:09,040
when

3977
02:36:11,830 --> 02:36:10,960
he died

3978
02:36:13,030 --> 02:36:11,840
i

3979
02:36:15,510 --> 02:36:13,040
wanted

3980
02:36:18,150 --> 02:36:15,520
uh it was you know our family's kind of

3981
02:36:20,230 --> 02:36:18,160
a weird bunch anyhow there was a thing

3982
02:36:22,389 --> 02:36:20,240
we all got together and everything but i

3983
02:36:23,990 --> 02:36:22,399
wanted personally because my brother

3984
02:36:26,150 --> 02:36:24,000
loved the beach boys he grew up when the

3985
02:36:28,150 --> 02:36:26,160
beach boys were famous you know

3986
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:28,160
and he loved the ocean

3987
02:36:33,429 --> 02:36:30,880
and so i had it in my mind that i would

3988
02:36:35,750 --> 02:36:33,439
go and buy a beach boys album

3989
02:36:38,070 --> 02:36:35,760
and borrow somebody's car that had a cd

3990
02:36:40,550 --> 02:36:38,080
i got a 26 year old volvo and it doesn't

3991
02:36:43,030 --> 02:36:40,560
have a cd player in it okay i was gonna

3992
02:36:44,710 --> 02:36:43,040
borrow somebody's car drive down to the

3993
02:36:47,830 --> 02:36:44,720
ocean somewhere i'm in cambridge which

3994
02:36:50,150 --> 02:36:47,840
is right near the water in massachusetts

3995
02:36:51,990 --> 02:36:50,160
some night you know and just play the

3996
02:36:54,870 --> 02:36:52,000
beach boys for bill

3997
02:36:56,950 --> 02:36:54,880
to say my personal goodbye

3998
02:36:58,630 --> 02:36:56,960
by the time i got to holland i hadn't

3999
02:37:01,190 --> 02:36:58,640
done that

4000
02:37:02,950 --> 02:37:01,200
and when these pictures the first 50

4001
02:37:06,230 --> 02:37:02,960
appeared that first day that's one of

4002
02:37:09,110 --> 02:37:06,240
the first ones do you notice his ear and

4003
02:37:12,230 --> 02:37:09,120
how it's sticking out kind of funny yep

4004
02:37:14,469 --> 02:37:12,240
his ear did not stick out like that

4005
02:37:15,349 --> 02:37:14,479
and i didn't quite notice it that first

4006
02:37:19,030 --> 02:37:15,359
day

4007
02:37:20,790 --> 02:37:19,040
but after those first 50 images appeared

4008
02:37:23,349 --> 02:37:20,800
i thought okay

4009
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:23,359
i have his mother's car it's got a cd

4010
02:37:26,630 --> 02:37:24,560
player in it

4011
02:37:28,870 --> 02:37:26,640
and okay i'm not right near the ocean

4012
02:37:31,510 --> 02:37:28,880
but bill's clearly or his spirit seems

4013
02:37:35,110 --> 02:37:31,520
to be here so i went into the closest

4014
02:37:37,830 --> 02:37:35,120
town got a beach boy cd and the next day

4015
02:37:39,830 --> 02:37:37,840
robert and i went back to the field with

4016
02:37:41,830 --> 02:37:39,840
the beach boys cd

4017
02:37:43,670 --> 02:37:41,840
so that i could do what i had wanted to

4018
02:37:45,510 --> 02:37:43,680
do all along

4019
02:37:47,590 --> 02:37:45,520
and we went a little bit later in the

4020
02:37:49,510 --> 02:37:47,600
day but it was still daylight and i

4021
02:37:51,750 --> 02:37:49,520
backed the car all the way in that field

4022
02:37:53,429 --> 02:37:51,760
as far as i could get it open the doors

4023
02:37:55,270 --> 02:37:53,439
wide you know so the speakers would go

4024
02:37:57,510 --> 02:37:55,280
out into the field right now and i put

4025
02:37:58,469 --> 02:37:57,520
the beach boys on and cranked it right

4026
02:38:00,950 --> 02:37:58,479
on

4027
02:38:03,750 --> 02:38:00,960
and right away you know this music comes

4028
02:38:06,230 --> 02:38:03,760
out and i can see my brother as we were

4029
02:38:08,309 --> 02:38:06,240
when we were kids wow and see him doing

4030
02:38:10,070 --> 02:38:08,319
the twist to it and this is all in my

4031
02:38:12,870 --> 02:38:10,080
head you know right right right i'm

4032
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:12,880
really feeling the connection with

4033
02:38:17,750 --> 02:38:15,280
the bill that i remembered

4034
02:38:23,910 --> 02:38:17,760
meanwhile robert is taking pictures

4035
02:38:26,070 --> 02:38:23,920
all of those pictures

4036
02:38:28,389 --> 02:38:26,080
bill appeared again

4037
02:38:30,230 --> 02:38:28,399
but the ear was now normal

4038
02:38:33,030 --> 02:38:30,240
oh wow

4039
02:38:35,349 --> 02:38:33,040
and later when i got home and noticed

4040
02:38:38,230 --> 02:38:35,359
this in detail and thought about it

4041
02:38:40,070 --> 02:38:38,240
i i mean if you knew my brother he was

4042
02:38:42,950 --> 02:38:40,080
very charismatic

4043
02:38:44,550 --> 02:38:42,960
he was extraordinarily gallon and he's

4044
02:38:45,510 --> 02:38:44,560
dying

4045
02:38:48,230 --> 02:38:45,520
and

4046
02:38:51,670 --> 02:38:48,240
it would have been just like him

4047
02:38:54,950 --> 02:38:51,680
if it were possible to say man for the

4048
02:38:57,990 --> 02:38:54,960
love of god go get the damned album i

4049
02:39:00,469 --> 02:38:58,000
got things to do right i can't do it

4050
02:39:02,469 --> 02:39:00,479
until you've said your goodbye right

4051
02:39:04,790 --> 02:39:02,479
right go get the album and play it for

4052
02:39:07,590 --> 02:39:04,800
me and that ear sticking out

4053
02:39:08,469 --> 02:39:07,600
maybe that was all he could do

4054
02:39:11,990 --> 02:39:08,479
to

4055
02:39:13,670 --> 02:39:12,000
make me do it all i know is that after i

4056
02:39:15,030 --> 02:39:13,680
while i was playing the music and

4057
02:39:17,190 --> 02:39:15,040
afterward

4058
02:39:21,270 --> 02:39:17,200
all those photos his ear is back to

4059
02:39:23,990 --> 02:39:21,280
normal and he never appeared again

4060
02:39:26,070 --> 02:39:24,000
wow and did you feel uh did you feel

4061
02:39:28,309 --> 02:39:26,080
like he commute i mean

4062
02:39:31,190 --> 02:39:28,319
let me back up the guy had said my

4063
02:39:33,429 --> 02:39:31,200
goodbyes right

4064
02:39:35,510 --> 02:39:33,439
i'm still not positive whether he was

4065
02:39:38,469 --> 02:39:35,520
there or not well that was my question

4066
02:39:40,630 --> 02:39:38,479
did do you think that he he received

4067
02:39:42,870 --> 02:39:40,640
your vibe that you have

4068
02:39:45,190 --> 02:39:42,880
you know put this to bed i hope he knows

4069
02:39:47,830 --> 02:39:45,200
i hope but i don't know wow that's an

4070
02:39:49,750 --> 02:39:47,840
incredible story now okay listen um

4071
02:39:51,910 --> 02:39:49,760
nancy we're i'm not going to take any

4072
02:39:55,110 --> 02:39:51,920
more commercial breaks we've got we're

4073
02:39:57,349 --> 02:39:55,120
we've got another 15 minutes or so

4074
02:39:59,830 --> 02:39:57,359
and we've got we've we haven't talked

4075
02:40:02,550 --> 02:39:59,840
about ufos at all we've got this batch

4076
02:40:04,070 --> 02:40:02,560
of ufo photographs and then

4077
02:40:06,070 --> 02:40:04,080
we're just going to jump ahead i want to

4078
02:40:09,190 --> 02:40:06,080
get to the 2012

4079
02:40:12,389 --> 02:40:09,200
dutch crop circle circle case because of

4080
02:40:13,750 --> 02:40:12,399
the et photographs that are in that uh

4081
02:40:16,230 --> 02:40:13,760
batch of stuff

4082
02:40:18,870 --> 02:40:16,240
so um am i pretty how much time do we

4083
02:40:21,429 --> 02:40:18,880
have to still go uh we've got about 15

4084
02:40:23,349 --> 02:40:21,439
16 minutes before uh

4085
02:40:25,110 --> 02:40:23,359
we close out the show so let's go

4086
02:40:27,429 --> 02:40:25,120
let's deal with these why don't we go to

4087
02:40:29,510 --> 02:40:27,439
the 2012 thing and let me because i want

4088
02:40:30,710 --> 02:40:29,520
to end with this part

4089
02:40:32,790 --> 02:40:30,720
oh you want to end with the heart you

4090
02:40:35,190 --> 02:40:32,800
want to come back to that okay fantastic

4091
02:40:37,910 --> 02:40:35,200
let's do that okay so everybody

4092
02:40:40,790 --> 02:40:37,920
let's do this so go this is my little

4093
02:40:42,950 --> 02:40:40,800
surprise so go back to the home page we

4094
02:40:45,349 --> 02:40:42,960
got to get out of these uh

4095
02:40:47,429 --> 02:40:45,359
uh i've got a special hidden link here

4096
02:40:49,830 --> 02:40:47,439
that i didn't tell anybody go back to

4097
02:40:53,590 --> 02:40:49,840
the home page scroll down

4098
02:40:56,950 --> 02:40:53,600
and where it says blt research on the

4099
02:40:59,349 --> 02:40:56,960
bottom of the page where you see the

4100
02:41:02,790 --> 02:40:59,359
galleries very simply

4101
02:41:03,670 --> 02:41:02,800
click on blt research that is actually a

4102
02:41:06,550 --> 02:41:03,680
link

4103
02:41:08,630 --> 02:41:06,560
that will take you to underneath the gap

4104
02:41:12,150 --> 02:41:08,640
you mean the one that blt on top of the

4105
02:41:14,790 --> 02:41:12,160
gallery uh yep just click on that

4106
02:41:17,349 --> 02:41:14,800
nothing's oh yeah it is it's coming up

4107
02:41:18,469 --> 02:41:17,359
okay how do you like that huh was i

4108
02:41:21,990 --> 02:41:18,479
sneaky

4109
02:41:23,990 --> 02:41:22,000
sexy yeah okay so that's gonna take you

4110
02:41:27,429 --> 02:41:24,000
to part two

4111
02:41:30,469 --> 02:41:27,439
of the 2012 crop circle season overview

4112
02:41:31,910 --> 02:41:30,479
page now everybody is there i am sure

4113
02:41:33,429 --> 02:41:31,920
now

4114
02:41:36,309 --> 02:41:33,439
at the top of the page it's one of my

4115
02:41:38,550 --> 02:41:36,319
favorite photographs by the way nancy is

4116
02:41:41,590 --> 02:41:38,560
of this uh i don't know how to explain

4117
02:41:43,510 --> 02:41:41,600
indigo is the right way i get purple in

4118
02:41:44,550 --> 02:41:43,520
this blue alien

4119
02:41:47,190 --> 02:41:44,560
face

4120
02:41:49,110 --> 02:41:47,200
and and and and as we scroll down though

4121
02:41:51,190 --> 02:41:49,120
there's some things that we need to talk

4122
02:41:54,790 --> 02:41:51,200
about before we get to the aliens and

4123
02:41:58,070 --> 02:41:54,800
the beams of light and so forth is these

4124
02:41:59,190 --> 02:41:58,080
the the crop circle formations that were

4125
02:42:01,510 --> 02:41:59,200
here

4126
02:42:03,510 --> 02:42:01,520
um and let's briefly

4127
02:42:05,990 --> 02:42:03,520
talk about uh

4128
02:42:08,230 --> 02:42:06,000
i can do this quick the diagram shows

4129
02:42:10,870 --> 02:42:08,240
you a crop circle which had occurred in

4130
02:42:12,790 --> 02:42:10,880
a field near robert's house okay

4131
02:42:15,510 --> 02:42:12,800
you scroll down a little bit farther and

4132
02:42:18,630 --> 02:42:15,520
it's a photograph of that crop circle

4133
02:42:21,110 --> 02:42:18,640
right with a blue light ball that our

4134
02:42:22,230 --> 02:42:21,120
field worker photographed when he he

4135
02:42:24,389 --> 02:42:22,240
didn't see it but when he was

4136
02:42:26,710 --> 02:42:24,399
photographing the circle the blue light

4137
02:42:28,630 --> 02:42:26,720
ball appeared and you can see it right

4138
02:42:31,510 --> 02:42:28,640
there it's right in the

4139
02:42:33,429 --> 02:42:31,520
uh in the middle of the photograph yeah

4140
02:42:36,070 --> 02:42:33,439
yeah there's an arrow pointing to it and

4141
02:42:38,150 --> 02:42:36,080
it's an incredible shot because

4142
02:42:39,910 --> 02:42:38,160
um and again i started to talk about

4143
02:42:42,070 --> 02:42:39,920
this at the beginning of the show i knew

4144
02:42:45,030 --> 02:42:42,080
we were going to get to this later but

4145
02:42:47,670 --> 02:42:45,040
in that this is not

4146
02:42:50,070 --> 02:42:47,680
man-made you can look and tell this is

4147
02:42:53,190 --> 02:42:50,080
not somebody trying to be an artistic

4148
02:42:54,790 --> 02:42:53,200
uh urban artist boy wonder guy with a

4149
02:42:57,349 --> 02:42:54,800
plank of wood

4150
02:42:58,630 --> 02:42:57,359
this is something that is

4151
02:43:00,950 --> 02:42:58,640
uh

4152
02:43:03,510 --> 02:43:00,960
not man-made i was gonna say natural

4153
02:43:04,710 --> 02:43:03,520
and and this has those swirls that i was

4154
02:43:06,950 --> 02:43:04,720
talking about

4155
02:43:08,550 --> 02:43:06,960
isn't it pretty yeah i don't know i

4156
02:43:11,349 --> 02:43:08,560
don't know how to explain it now this

4157
02:43:13,110 --> 02:43:11,359
next photograph below that this is an

4158
02:43:15,750 --> 02:43:13,120
aerial shot

4159
02:43:17,670 --> 02:43:15,760
correct yeah okay it's actually taken

4160
02:43:20,950 --> 02:43:17,680
with a kite we can't afford a plane so

4161
02:43:24,150 --> 02:43:20,960
we put up kites okay nicely done nicely

4162
02:43:25,830 --> 02:43:24,160
done and then the the photograph below

4163
02:43:28,630 --> 02:43:25,840
that is

4164
02:43:31,910 --> 02:43:28,640
the the right hand side of the aerial

4165
02:43:35,750 --> 02:43:31,920
shot right this is the right and now

4166
02:43:37,670 --> 02:43:35,760
let's look tell me about this swirled uh

4167
02:43:40,790 --> 02:43:37,680
the one right below that this is is this

4168
02:43:43,510 --> 02:43:40,800
the very center of the largest circle

4169
02:43:45,670 --> 02:43:43,520
it i'm not sure let me look

4170
02:43:48,469 --> 02:43:45,680
i'm not does it say underneath where it

4171
02:43:51,190 --> 02:43:48,479
says it says it says had several centers

4172
02:43:53,110 --> 02:43:51,200
with twisted stuff so it's one of them i

4173
02:43:55,429 --> 02:43:53,120
i don't know which one exactly

4174
02:43:57,429 --> 02:43:55,439
it's that is an incredible shot and i

4175
02:43:59,910 --> 02:43:57,439
don't again like almost everything that

4176
02:44:01,830 --> 02:43:59,920
you have shown us tonight and presented

4177
02:44:05,990 --> 02:44:01,840
i don't know what i'm looking at i've

4178
02:44:08,150 --> 02:44:06,000
never seen anything quite like this

4179
02:44:11,510 --> 02:44:08,160
and if you had sat in that living room

4180
02:44:16,469 --> 02:44:11,520
and seen what i saw that first night

4181
02:44:22,469 --> 02:44:20,469
nicely said nicely said yeah this is uh

4182
02:44:25,349 --> 02:44:22,479
you know i can guarantee you that this

4183
02:44:27,190 --> 02:44:25,359
was not found in the nvidia crop circle

4184
02:44:28,790 --> 02:44:27,200
that's what happened

4185
02:44:31,030 --> 02:44:28,800
okay now

4186
02:44:35,269 --> 02:44:31,040
now we're going to get into some is some

4187
02:44:36,070 --> 02:44:35,279
pretty fantastic uh extraordinary stuff

4188
02:44:38,469 --> 02:44:36,080
and

4189
02:44:40,389 --> 02:44:38,479
uh these two light beams of which you

4190
02:44:42,150 --> 02:44:40,399
have quite a few photographs like this

4191
02:44:42,950 --> 02:44:42,160
at blt research

4192
02:44:45,110 --> 02:44:42,960
um

4193
02:44:47,510 --> 02:44:45,120
and tons of them in the ufo photos

4194
02:44:49,990 --> 02:44:47,520
report yes there are and the stuff above

4195
02:44:51,510 --> 02:44:50,000
the cars and and stuff but these two

4196
02:44:52,389 --> 02:44:51,520
photographs here

4197
02:44:54,070 --> 02:44:52,399
uh

4198
02:44:56,070 --> 02:44:54,080
you know they're

4199
02:44:59,990 --> 02:44:56,080
they take your breath away now the top

4200
02:45:01,429 --> 02:45:00,000
one you can see the field and this and

4201
02:45:03,830 --> 02:45:01,439
the circle

4202
02:45:05,510 --> 02:45:03,840
um illuminated a little bit at the

4203
02:45:07,510 --> 02:45:05,520
bottom of the photograph

4204
02:45:10,870 --> 02:45:07,520
but what is it that we are looking at

4205
02:45:16,150 --> 02:45:13,750
is it is it a ship is it that you know

4206
02:45:18,870 --> 02:45:16,160
all you can see is what you can see

4207
02:45:20,309 --> 02:45:18,880
well um well don't make me jump to my

4208
02:45:21,030 --> 02:45:20,319
own conclusions because i'm going to

4209
02:45:23,190 --> 02:45:21,040
decide

4210
02:45:26,550 --> 02:45:23,200
because i can't i i'd give it to you if

4211
02:45:29,429 --> 02:45:26,560
i had it i i tell people everything i do

4212
02:45:30,309 --> 02:45:29,439
know i do not say things i don't know

4213
02:45:33,110 --> 02:45:30,319
right

4214
02:45:35,750 --> 02:45:33,120
people need to process remember i've

4215
02:45:39,110 --> 02:45:35,760
been doing this for 18 19 years with him

4216
02:45:40,950 --> 02:45:39,120
now right and i do it very slowly very

4217
02:45:42,710 --> 02:45:40,960
carefully because i don't want to fool

4218
02:45:45,510 --> 02:45:42,720
myself either right

4219
02:45:47,349 --> 02:45:45,520
well it looks to me well then then i'm

4220
02:45:48,710 --> 02:45:47,359
going to draw my own conclusion it looks

4221
02:45:52,230 --> 02:45:48,720
to me that

4222
02:45:58,230 --> 02:45:52,240
uh you've got some kind of ship or or

4223
02:46:03,670 --> 02:46:00,630
a ship shaped

4224
02:46:05,750 --> 02:46:03,680
in uh in light i don't know how to

4225
02:46:08,710 --> 02:46:05,760
explain what i'm looking at but there is

4226
02:46:09,750 --> 02:46:08,720
a beam of light coming down from this

4227
02:46:12,309 --> 02:46:09,760
ship

4228
02:46:14,950 --> 02:46:12,319
or from this plasma formation of some

4229
02:46:15,990 --> 02:46:14,960
kind and it is

4230
02:46:17,590 --> 02:46:16,000
forming

4231
02:46:20,070 --> 02:46:17,600
a crop circle

4232
02:46:22,950 --> 02:46:20,080
that's what i see and it looks very

4233
02:46:25,429 --> 02:46:22,960
deliberate and it doesn't look faked

4234
02:46:26,950 --> 02:46:25,439
i don't if steven spielberg was having a

4235
02:46:28,950 --> 02:46:26,960
crack at it he might be able to do

4236
02:46:30,710 --> 02:46:28,960
something like this but but that's what

4237
02:46:35,030 --> 02:46:30,720
it looks like to me

4238
02:46:41,190 --> 02:46:37,349
you know it's that good i don't know how

4239
02:46:43,590 --> 02:46:41,200
to uh i i can't really describe it

4240
02:46:46,710 --> 02:46:43,600
but it looks to me like that is what is

4241
02:46:47,510 --> 02:46:46,720
going on here but then

4242
02:46:48,950 --> 02:46:47,520
and

4243
02:46:51,590 --> 02:46:48,960
we're going to end the show with these

4244
02:46:52,389 --> 02:46:51,600
next batch of photographs

4245
02:46:58,150 --> 02:46:52,399
the

4246
02:47:01,030 --> 02:46:58,160
this camera

4247
02:47:03,030 --> 02:47:01,040
and what's important here is

4248
02:47:05,510 --> 02:47:03,040
the circle had happened robert knew it

4249
02:47:07,510 --> 02:47:05,520
was come coming he always knows and he

4250
02:47:09,670 --> 02:47:07,520
enough and the i think roy the field

4251
02:47:12,230 --> 02:47:09,680
worker in this case drove because robert

4252
02:47:14,230 --> 02:47:12,240
doesn't drive they drove to this place

4253
02:47:16,230 --> 02:47:14,240
and did find the crop circle right where

4254
02:47:18,950 --> 02:47:16,240
robert said it was going to be

4255
02:47:22,070 --> 02:47:18,960
but this had happened sometime before

4256
02:47:23,750 --> 02:47:22,080
a local dutch filmmaker who's kind of a

4257
02:47:25,830 --> 02:47:23,760
jerk actually

4258
02:47:27,990 --> 02:47:25,840
uh wanted to

4259
02:47:30,469 --> 02:47:28,000
uh interview robert

4260
02:47:31,750 --> 02:47:30,479
in the crop circle that had just

4261
02:47:34,230 --> 02:47:31,760
happened

4262
02:47:36,309 --> 02:47:34,240
and so robert agreed and he and his

4263
02:47:38,710 --> 02:47:36,319
friend stan and i guess maybe roy was

4264
02:47:40,790 --> 02:47:38,720
there and the television guy and his

4265
02:47:43,110 --> 02:47:40,800
film his camera guy and all these other

4266
02:47:45,190 --> 02:47:43,120
people went to the field where the

4267
02:47:46,389 --> 02:47:45,200
circle had had appeared a week or so

4268
02:47:50,070 --> 02:47:46,399
earlier

4269
02:47:53,990 --> 02:47:50,080
and what they wanted was to give robert

4270
02:47:55,510 --> 02:47:54,000
the producer wanted to give robert his

4271
02:47:58,630 --> 02:47:55,520
digital camera

4272
02:48:01,349 --> 02:47:58,640
no there's not roberts but the producers

4273
02:48:04,150 --> 02:48:01,359
and with the video running

4274
02:48:06,870 --> 02:48:04,160
have robert take pictures with that

4275
02:48:09,030 --> 02:48:06,880
digital camera while he was standing

4276
02:48:11,510 --> 02:48:09,040
inside the circle

4277
02:48:14,309 --> 02:48:11,520
now you gotta remember that robert never

4278
02:48:17,110 --> 02:48:14,319
asks for anything

4279
02:48:18,309 --> 02:48:17,120
robert is willing to receive

4280
02:48:19,429 --> 02:48:18,319
what

4281
02:48:20,469 --> 02:48:19,439
this

4282
02:48:21,670 --> 02:48:20,479
larger

4283
02:48:23,429 --> 02:48:21,680
reality

4284
02:48:26,230 --> 02:48:23,439
chooses to send

4285
02:48:27,269 --> 02:48:26,240
as long as it is not threatening or

4286
02:48:29,429 --> 02:48:27,279
negative

4287
02:48:31,750 --> 02:48:29,439
he will allow anything else to work

4288
02:48:34,070 --> 02:48:31,760
through him use him as a medium

4289
02:48:35,910 --> 02:48:34,080
and but he doesn't ask

4290
02:48:37,429 --> 02:48:35,920
and most people don't understand this he

4291
02:48:39,190 --> 02:48:37,439
never asks

4292
02:48:42,550 --> 02:48:39,200
well once or twice he has but usually he

4293
02:48:44,950 --> 02:48:42,560
doesn't so the guy wants him to do this

4294
02:48:47,429 --> 02:48:44,960
robert is willing he tries if you ask

4295
02:48:49,429 --> 02:48:47,439
him to do something he will try

4296
02:48:51,590 --> 02:48:49,439
but he'll tell you maybe something will

4297
02:48:53,670 --> 02:48:51,600
happen maybe it won't i don't know

4298
02:48:56,389 --> 02:48:53,680
so he went in the circle he was standing

4299
02:48:59,110 --> 02:48:56,399
in the circle with the producer's camera

4300
02:49:00,710 --> 02:48:59,120
and he shot two took two pictures

4301
02:49:03,110 --> 02:49:00,720
and these are the two pictures that

4302
02:49:05,190 --> 02:49:03,120
first one is duplicated the original on

4303
02:49:07,510 --> 02:49:05,200
top and then i've i've heightened it

4304
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:07,520
i've lightened it up in the second one

4305
02:49:12,469 --> 02:49:09,840
and then the second picture which was

4306
02:49:14,550 --> 02:49:12,479
just a second shot again the original is

4307
02:49:16,389 --> 02:49:14,560
on top and the one that i've lightened

4308
02:49:18,630 --> 02:49:16,399
up is below it

4309
02:49:20,710 --> 02:49:18,640
and there was that beautiful

4310
02:49:22,469 --> 02:49:20,720
blue indigo

4311
02:49:23,910 --> 02:49:22,479
beam

4312
02:49:25,670 --> 02:49:23,920
robert didn't see it he didn't know

4313
02:49:27,030 --> 02:49:25,680
whether it was going to come or not but

4314
02:49:30,389 --> 02:49:27,040
there it was

4315
02:49:33,990 --> 02:49:30,399
and unfortunately the filmmaker

4316
02:49:36,309 --> 02:49:34,000
did not keep his camera running after

4317
02:49:38,309 --> 02:49:36,319
robert had taken the shots

4318
02:49:41,190 --> 02:49:38,319
he didn't do it while they were going

4319
02:49:43,110 --> 02:49:41,200
back to see what was on them and that's

4320
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:43,120
why there is a filmmaker going there

4321
02:49:46,550 --> 02:49:44,800
right now as we speak

4322
02:49:49,190 --> 02:49:46,560
we're doing this again

4323
02:49:49,990 --> 02:49:49,200
because we've got a very smart filmmaker

4324
02:49:52,630 --> 02:49:50,000
now

4325
02:49:54,950 --> 02:49:52,640
who will be videotaping robert doing

4326
02:49:57,190 --> 02:49:54,960
whatever happens and he will not turn

4327
02:49:59,750 --> 02:49:57,200
the video camera off ever

4328
02:50:01,910 --> 02:49:59,760
so that we don't lose the proof right

4329
02:50:04,630 --> 02:50:01,920
behind an image like this right

4330
02:50:07,110 --> 02:50:04,640
everybody was there watching robert

4331
02:50:09,510 --> 02:50:07,120
everybody saw this happen but

4332
02:50:12,389 --> 02:50:09,520
unfortunately the guy with the video

4333
02:50:14,550 --> 02:50:12,399
turned it off slightly prematurely

4334
02:50:16,950 --> 02:50:14,560
uh and so we can't prove

4335
02:50:19,590 --> 02:50:16,960
in this case except for the witnesses

4336
02:50:22,630 --> 02:50:19,600
that robert actually did this

4337
02:50:24,469 --> 02:50:22,640
extraordinary photographs and

4338
02:50:27,830 --> 02:50:24,479
and very interesting looking creature

4339
02:50:28,870 --> 02:50:27,840
well it is and it doesn't it doesn't

4340
02:50:31,190 --> 02:50:28,880
look

4341
02:50:32,630 --> 02:50:31,200
typical you know that's that's the thing

4342
02:50:35,429 --> 02:50:32,640
it doesn't look tip well you know the

4343
02:50:36,469 --> 02:50:35,439
big eyes and stuff but but the the color

4344
02:50:39,349 --> 02:50:36,479
the

4345
02:50:41,510 --> 02:50:39,359
it just doesn't look classic and that's

4346
02:50:44,150 --> 02:50:41,520
where i kind of get freaked out

4347
02:50:45,269 --> 02:50:44,160
and if i have literally hundreds of

4348
02:50:46,710 --> 02:50:45,279
photos

4349
02:50:48,710 --> 02:50:46,720
of creatures

4350
02:50:51,429 --> 02:50:48,720
we haven't put them out yet because it

4351
02:50:53,429 --> 02:50:51,439
we're trying to have people understand

4352
02:50:55,670 --> 02:50:53,439
that we don't want them to be frightened

4353
02:50:57,190 --> 02:50:55,680
there is nothing to be frightened of as

4354
02:50:59,990 --> 02:50:57,200
best we know

4355
02:51:02,870 --> 02:51:00,000
no evidence whatsoever and that's why i

4356
02:51:05,030 --> 02:51:02,880
wanted to end with the ufo photos if we

4357
02:51:08,070 --> 02:51:05,040
can go back again okay all right

4358
02:51:11,190 --> 02:51:08,080
everybody and and and i will have links

4359
02:51:12,710 --> 02:51:11,200
up uh for blt research to go back and do

4360
02:51:13,830 --> 02:51:12,720
all of this that nothing's going

4361
02:51:16,150 --> 02:51:13,840
anywhere

4362
02:51:18,750 --> 02:51:16,160
uh so you can go back and check these

4363
02:51:20,550 --> 02:51:18,760
photographs out let's go back to

4364
02:51:23,429 --> 02:51:20,560
jimmychurchradio.com

4365
02:51:25,110 --> 02:51:23,439
and head back over to the nancy talbot

4366
02:51:26,710 --> 02:51:25,120
page i'm sorry for the complicated we

4367
02:51:29,429 --> 02:51:26,720
just have so much information tonight

4368
02:51:32,469 --> 02:51:29,439
everybody this is just the way it is and

4369
02:51:35,110 --> 02:51:32,479
so hover over the home button on jimmy

4370
02:51:36,950 --> 02:51:35,120
church radio click on nancy talbot and

4371
02:51:40,309 --> 02:51:36,960
we're going to go to the first gallery

4372
02:51:43,429 --> 02:51:40,319
with all of the ufo pictures on it all

4373
02:51:45,830 --> 02:51:43,439
extraordinary by the way um so let's get

4374
02:51:47,990 --> 02:51:45,840
everybody get settled in okay you know

4375
02:51:50,230 --> 02:51:48,000
where we're at we've been here already

4376
02:51:52,309 --> 02:51:50,240
and you want to do the hard photograph

4377
02:51:54,070 --> 02:51:52,319
you want to end on that so i just want

4378
02:51:56,630 --> 02:51:54,080
to end with that because it will help

4379
02:51:58,550 --> 02:51:56,640
people understand what's going on okay

4380
02:52:00,990 --> 02:51:58,560
so let's talk really quick let's go

4381
02:52:02,790 --> 02:52:01,000
let's talk about the other at eight and

4382
02:52:04,950 --> 02:52:02,800
2009

4383
02:52:06,870 --> 02:52:04,960
all robert has seen dozens of crop

4384
02:52:08,870 --> 02:52:06,880
circles formed i've been with him on two

4385
02:52:11,590 --> 02:52:08,880
of those occasions and saw them for

4386
02:52:13,510 --> 02:52:11,600
myself but he has seen dozens

4387
02:52:15,349 --> 02:52:13,520
and sometimes light balls sometimes

4388
02:52:17,510 --> 02:52:15,359
tubes of light sometimes flashes of

4389
02:52:18,230 --> 02:52:17,520
light sometimes no light phenomena at

4390
02:52:20,230 --> 02:52:18,240
all

4391
02:52:24,230 --> 02:52:20,240
wide range of

4392
02:52:28,630 --> 02:52:24,240
what you see or don't see when they form

4393
02:52:31,750 --> 02:52:28,640
up until 2008 we almost never discussed

4394
02:52:33,990 --> 02:52:31,760
or in any way even thought about ufos as

4395
02:52:37,110 --> 02:52:34,000
far as we were concerned the ufo

4396
02:52:39,349 --> 02:52:37,120
phenomenon as it is generally discussed

4397
02:52:42,309 --> 02:52:39,359
particularly this whole abduction thing

4398
02:52:45,110 --> 02:52:42,319
had nothing to do with the crop circles

4399
02:52:48,389 --> 02:52:45,120
or with what was happening around robert

4400
02:52:50,309 --> 02:52:48,399
but for some reason in 2008 no matter

4401
02:52:51,590 --> 02:52:50,319
what camera he was using and this

4402
02:52:53,830 --> 02:52:51,600
represents

4403
02:52:56,790 --> 02:52:53,840
in the lower left the second uh one

4404
02:53:00,309 --> 02:52:56,800
that's dr roll's camera the upper right

4405
02:53:03,670 --> 02:53:00,319
is another crop circle researcher in in

4406
02:53:07,349 --> 02:53:03,680
holland peter van leerogen uh the ones

4407
02:53:09,190 --> 02:53:07,359
on the bottom one is roy's camera one is

4408
02:53:11,830 --> 02:53:09,200
another guy's camera

4409
02:53:14,469 --> 02:53:11,840
uh the one you can see through is my

4410
02:53:16,630 --> 02:53:14,479
camera uh the white little one sitting

4411
02:53:18,070 --> 02:53:16,640
down in the circle itself that's my

4412
02:53:19,750 --> 02:53:18,080
camera okay

4413
02:53:22,070 --> 02:53:19,760
the one with all the light balls which

4414
02:53:24,469 --> 02:53:22,080
is one of my favorite the white one yep

4415
02:53:26,950 --> 02:53:24,479
and that's also my camera

4416
02:53:29,030 --> 02:53:26,960
well the story behind the one with the

4417
02:53:30,630 --> 02:53:29,040
heart is this

4418
02:53:32,790 --> 02:53:30,640
uh we had been

4419
02:53:35,349 --> 02:53:32,800
there been oh hundreds of these ufo

4420
02:53:37,429 --> 02:53:35,359
photos that year and we were wondering

4421
02:53:39,429 --> 02:53:37,439
what in the world is with these ufo

4422
02:53:40,469 --> 02:53:39,439
photos all of a sudden how come they're

4423
02:53:42,950 --> 02:53:40,479
coming

4424
02:53:45,990 --> 02:53:42,960
and we decided that

4425
02:53:48,710 --> 02:53:46,000
if the purpose of crop circles

4426
02:53:51,750 --> 02:53:48,720
and many other anomalous phenomena

4427
02:53:54,710 --> 02:53:51,760
is to help people open their minds to

4428
02:53:57,590 --> 02:53:54,720
this larger reality that there is a

4429
02:54:00,630 --> 02:53:57,600
larger consciousness there is a lot more

4430
02:54:02,150 --> 02:54:00,640
out there and much of it is gentle and

4431
02:54:04,230 --> 02:54:02,160
loving

4432
02:54:06,150 --> 02:54:04,240
that the

4433
02:54:07,990 --> 02:54:06,160
you can't use a religious symbol because

4434
02:54:09,349 --> 02:54:08,000
there are dozens and dozens of different

4435
02:54:11,830 --> 02:54:09,359
religions

4436
02:54:13,190 --> 02:54:11,840
we've came to the conclusion that the

4437
02:54:15,429 --> 02:54:13,200
most

4438
02:54:17,910 --> 02:54:15,439
clearly recognized symbol

4439
02:54:20,389 --> 02:54:17,920
of the other

4440
02:54:22,790 --> 02:54:20,399
worldwide is probably

4441
02:54:25,429 --> 02:54:22,800
ufo images

4442
02:54:27,750 --> 02:54:25,439
and the fact that these images

4443
02:54:30,070 --> 02:54:27,760
were appearing

4444
02:54:33,510 --> 02:54:30,080
in every single camera he took he used

4445
02:54:35,990 --> 02:54:33,520
that year and in 2009 there were ufos

4446
02:54:37,830 --> 02:54:36,000
all over the place we figured that what

4447
02:54:41,590 --> 02:54:37,840
was intended here

4448
02:54:43,030 --> 02:54:41,600
was to communicate not particularly ufos

4449
02:54:46,950 --> 02:54:43,040
and whatever people

4450
02:54:51,349 --> 02:54:46,960
currently think about ufos in detail

4451
02:54:54,870 --> 02:54:51,359
more that this is a symbol an emblem

4452
02:54:57,910 --> 02:54:54,880
which indicates the other

4453
02:55:00,150 --> 02:54:57,920
okay the last night that year that i was

4454
02:55:02,309 --> 02:55:00,160
in holland with robert we went as we

4455
02:55:04,870 --> 02:55:02,319
always do back to the fields and i go to

4456
02:55:06,950 --> 02:55:04,880
say thank you for whatever has happened

4457
02:55:09,349 --> 02:55:06,960
for whatever amazing things i've seen

4458
02:55:11,910 --> 02:55:09,359
that year right and if you're looking

4459
02:55:12,950 --> 02:55:11,920
now at the one of the heart with the ufo

4460
02:55:15,190 --> 02:55:12,960
in it

4461
02:55:17,110 --> 02:55:15,200
we had gone this is in the ufo photos

4462
02:55:18,870 --> 02:55:17,120
report part 5.

4463
02:55:20,790 --> 02:55:18,880
we had been back to this field and it

4464
02:55:23,750 --> 02:55:20,800
wasn't really as dark as that image

4465
02:55:26,309 --> 02:55:23,760
indicates this the circle which had come

4466
02:55:28,150 --> 02:55:26,319
while i was flying across the atlantic

4467
02:55:30,469 --> 02:55:28,160
and which i knew was happening by the

4468
02:55:32,550 --> 02:55:30,479
way it was in that field but it was

4469
02:55:35,349 --> 02:55:32,560
partially cut by now

4470
02:55:37,990 --> 02:55:35,359
and i was just thanking just talking to

4471
02:55:40,389 --> 02:55:38,000
the air you know thank you for all these

4472
02:55:43,110 --> 02:55:40,399
wonderful things that have happened

4473
02:55:45,429 --> 02:55:43,120
and as we started to leave the field

4474
02:55:47,349 --> 02:55:45,439
robert said wait a minute wait a minute

4475
02:55:48,710 --> 02:55:47,359
and he turned around he said let me take

4476
02:55:51,429 --> 02:55:48,720
a few more

4477
02:55:53,990 --> 02:55:51,439
and the first four shots he took in a

4478
02:55:56,469 --> 02:55:54,000
row i was playing music by the way to

4479
02:55:59,830 --> 02:55:56,479
the fields music i love as a thank you

4480
02:56:01,510 --> 02:55:59,840
present the first four images were huge

4481
02:56:03,510 --> 02:56:01,520
big hearts

4482
02:56:05,110 --> 02:56:03,520
took up the whole screen

4483
02:56:07,990 --> 02:56:05,120
now there's no way on the face of the

4484
02:56:09,429 --> 02:56:08,000
earth you can miss the image of my heart

4485
02:56:10,870 --> 02:56:09,439
i mean it's pretty i don't care what

4486
02:56:12,550 --> 02:56:10,880
language you speak you know what it

4487
02:56:15,030 --> 02:56:12,560
means right

4488
02:56:17,269 --> 02:56:15,040
and i looked at him and was just amazed

4489
02:56:18,950 --> 02:56:17,279
oh nobody's ever gonna believe this it's

4490
02:56:20,630 --> 02:56:18,960
like oh my goodness

4491
02:56:21,750 --> 02:56:20,640
i knew what it meant i could feel what

4492
02:56:22,790 --> 02:56:21,760
it meant

4493
02:56:24,150 --> 02:56:22,800
but

4494
02:56:25,429 --> 02:56:24,160
and then we started to walk a little

4495
02:56:27,830 --> 02:56:25,439
farther out

4496
02:56:29,830 --> 02:56:27,840
and then suddenly he said wait a minute

4497
02:56:31,590 --> 02:56:29,840
asked for the camera again turned around

4498
02:56:33,830 --> 02:56:31,600
took four more shots

4499
02:56:35,910 --> 02:56:33,840
and in those four the hearts were

4500
02:56:37,670 --> 02:56:35,920
present again but there was a ufo right

4501
02:56:40,630 --> 02:56:37,680
in the middle of them

4502
02:56:42,150 --> 02:56:40,640
and we both think that the message is

4503
02:56:44,150 --> 02:56:42,160
very clear

4504
02:56:47,510 --> 02:56:44,160
these ufos

4505
02:56:50,309 --> 02:56:47,520
the ufo concept doesn't mean fear it

4506
02:56:55,349 --> 02:56:52,790
that's exactly what the picture says and

4507
02:56:57,910 --> 02:56:55,359
that's what it did to me i mean it it's

4508
02:56:59,830 --> 02:56:57,920
obvious and there's a little

4509
02:57:01,750 --> 02:56:59,840
there's a little cruiser

4510
02:57:04,389 --> 02:57:01,760
disc right in the middle of it too just

4511
02:57:08,469 --> 02:57:04,399
to let you know where it's coming from

4512
02:57:10,550 --> 02:57:08,479
i don't know i mean i'm not a ufo uh

4513
02:57:12,950 --> 02:57:10,560
that's what i that's an expert in that

4514
02:57:15,110 --> 02:57:12,960
area you know you don't have to be to

4515
02:57:17,670 --> 02:57:15,120
see what you're looking at

4516
02:57:21,429 --> 02:57:17,680
just what i know is that there is a lot

4517
02:57:24,070 --> 02:57:21,439
of fear-based stuff about ufos and what

4518
02:57:27,910 --> 02:57:24,080
i also know because of robert

4519
02:57:29,429 --> 02:57:27,920
is that there is a great as a huge

4520
02:57:31,190 --> 02:57:29,439
amount of evidence

4521
02:57:33,510 --> 02:57:31,200
that if

4522
02:57:35,510 --> 02:57:33,520
the fear-based thing exists

4523
02:57:38,710 --> 02:57:35,520
and we believe it probably does right

4524
02:57:41,510 --> 02:57:38,720
it's a tiny bit of the spectrum

4525
02:57:44,230 --> 02:57:41,520
that the majority of the spectrum is not

4526
02:57:45,429 --> 02:57:44,240
the fear-based stuff it's interested in

4527
02:57:47,349 --> 02:57:45,439
helping

4528
02:57:49,269 --> 02:57:47,359
and every bit of evidence that i've got

4529
02:57:51,910 --> 02:57:49,279
i wouldn't go in these fields you can

4530
02:57:52,950 --> 02:57:51,920
absolutely trust me if i thought that i

4531
02:57:54,790 --> 02:57:52,960
was going to have an encounter with

4532
02:57:56,630 --> 02:57:54,800
something that was going to hurt me i'd

4533
02:57:59,030 --> 02:57:56,640
never go to holland again

4534
02:58:01,269 --> 02:57:59,040
i'm not i'm a chicken i would never take

4535
02:58:02,710 --> 02:58:01,279
that chance the only reason i can walk

4536
02:58:05,510 --> 02:58:02,720
around these fields in the middle of the

4537
02:58:06,309 --> 02:58:05,520
night with him and nobody anywhere near

4538
02:58:11,349 --> 02:58:06,319
us

4539
02:58:14,710 --> 02:58:11,359
nothing's gonna hurt me

4540
02:58:16,309 --> 02:58:14,720
what an extraordinary evening i have had

4541
02:58:18,469 --> 02:58:16,319
and i hope that you have enjoyed

4542
02:58:20,469 --> 02:58:18,479
yourself nancy as much as i have and i

4543
02:58:22,630 --> 02:58:20,479
know that everybody out there

4544
02:58:24,950 --> 02:58:22,640
well no well you know what no it's you

4545
02:58:27,349 --> 02:58:24,960
it's not me i'm just i'm just along for

4546
02:58:29,110 --> 02:58:27,359
the ride but listen we're at the end of

4547
02:58:32,230 --> 02:58:29,120
the show so if you want just stay with

4548
02:58:34,230 --> 02:58:32,240
me and you'll hear us uh let's just roll

4549
02:58:36,550 --> 02:58:34,240
this and let the network pick us up uh

4550
02:58:38,309 --> 02:58:36,560
we have literally got one minute left so

4551
02:58:39,990 --> 02:58:38,319
just stay with me nancy and then you're

4552
02:58:42,630 --> 02:58:40,000
gonna hear me close out the show i'm

4553
02:58:44,630 --> 02:58:42,640
just gonna do it now in real time so

4554
02:58:46,790 --> 02:58:44,640
nancy don't don't go anywhere okay this

4555
02:58:48,309 --> 02:58:46,800
is how this is how we do it it'll remind

4556
02:58:50,950 --> 02:58:48,319
you of the old days

4557
02:58:52,070 --> 02:58:50,960
but uh here we go

4558
02:58:53,429 --> 02:58:52,080
all right

4559
02:58:54,309 --> 02:58:53,439
fade to black

4560
02:58:56,309 --> 02:58:54,319
uh

4561
02:58:58,710 --> 02:58:56,319
what a great interview thank you nancy

4562
02:59:00,550 --> 02:58:58,720
for uh for coming in and sharing with us

4563
02:59:02,950 --> 02:59:00,560
for the last three hours

4564
02:59:05,110 --> 02:59:02,960
i'm your host jimmy church stay tuned

4565
02:59:06,550 --> 02:59:05,120
coming up next is spooky south coast

4566
02:59:08,630 --> 02:59:06,560
with my man

4567
02:59:11,510 --> 02:59:08,640
tim weisberg

4568
02:59:13,830 --> 02:59:11,520
special thanks to keith roland as always

4569
02:59:15,190 --> 02:59:13,840
fade to black's executive producer is

4570
02:59:18,389 --> 02:59:15,200
rita kamirian

4571
02:59:20,630 --> 02:59:18,399
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4572
02:59:23,750 --> 02:59:20,640
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4573
02:59:25,510 --> 02:59:23,760
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4574
02:59:26,790 --> 02:59:25,520
from all the other mark kovars out there

4575
02:59:28,469 --> 02:59:26,800
in the world

4576
02:59:31,750 --> 02:59:28,479
music that you are listening to right

4577
02:59:33,030 --> 02:59:31,760
now is and always is doug aldridge from

4578
02:59:35,590 --> 02:59:33,040
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4579
02:59:38,070 --> 02:59:35,600
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4580
02:59:40,790 --> 02:59:38,080
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4581
02:59:43,110 --> 02:59:40,800
i am your host jimmy church we'll see

4582
02:59:44,230 --> 02:59:43,120
you tomorrow night when we have on bryce

4583
02:59:47,510 --> 02:59:44,240
zabel

4584
02:59:49,110 --> 02:59:47,520
live from the berlin film festival

4585
02:59:50,870 --> 02:59:49,120
everybody you have a good night don't

4586
02:59:53,510 --> 02:59:50,880
forget about the contest and all of the

4587
02:59:54,309 --> 02:59:53,520
easter eggs that's it for now

4588
03:00:18,950 --> 02:59:54,319
i